I've always maintained that sidebars are not separate contexts.
They are mixer state in a conference.
So is a whisper.
If, for convenience, you want to have a separate URI for a sidebar,
be my guest, but all the code will treat a sidebar as mixer
settings within a single context.
Whispers are the same. The only difference is the mixer state.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xcon-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:xcon-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Eric Burger
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:01 PM
> To: Aki Niemi
> Cc: XCON-IETF
> Subject: RE: [XCON] barnes-xcon-framework-00 comments
> I don't agree. Inline:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aki Niemi [mailto:aki.niemi@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:22 PM
> > To: ext Cullen Jennings
> > Cc: Chris Boulton; XCON-IETF
> > Subject: Re: [XCON] barnes-xcon-framework-00 comments
> > Inline.
> > ext Cullen Jennings wrote:
> > > The whisper stuff in this context seems new - seems like
> > the case where A
> > > and B want to have a private conversation while listening
> > to the main
> > > conversation should be handled as a sidebar with just two
> > participants. The
> > > other context of whisper where a announcement server
> > injects a messages in
> > > whisper mode makes sense to me.
> > Surely, a sidebar can be used to set up a "private" conversation. But
> > imagine such a private sidebar of n participants - there are
> > scenarios
> > where any two out of those n would like to send private notes between
> > each other. If this requires a one-2-one sidebar established,
> > this very
> > quickly means a full mesh of sidebars, which is not very convenient.
> What is the difference between a full mesh of sidebars and a full mesh of
> whispers? I would offer that it is identical.
> > This is the main difference between a whisper and a sidebar.
> > The former
> > is a private message sent within the existing context
> > (conference or a
> > sidebar), whereas the latter is a new context altogether.
> So whisper:sidebar::MESSAGE:MSRP ?
> Let's not go there! If you want a private conversation, why not just
> the person? If they have a Conference Aware UA, they most likely have a
> multiple appearance UA that can do local whisper.
> > An announcement could definitely be sent as a whisper. Especially if
> > that message is something like a private warning from the
> > admin telling
> > a participant to watch their language, and not meant as a
> > public reprimand.
> If you buy the "announcement server is a user" model, which I strongly
> object to, I still don't see how a whisper is any different than a
> If you buy the "announcements are part of the media processing element
> (media server)" model, then an announcement to a single participant is an
> announcement to a single participant. See MSCML.
> XCON mailing list
XCON mailing list