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Re: Please, Ubuntu, do not embarrass me again!

Subject: Re: Please, Ubuntu, do not embarrass me again!
From: Tom H
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:23:31 -0400
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Basil Chupin <blchupin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 07/06/10 23:34, Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Basil Chupin<blchupin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/06/10 21:34, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Pulseaudio is a PITA!
>>>>>
>>>>> Please, Ubuntu, do something in respect of getting sound to work "out of
>>>>> the box" for people who install Ubuntu.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> But pulseaudio allows us to match the sound system of Solaris and Mac OS X!
>>>>
>>> Nobody is stopping you from using pulseaudio. The problem is that it is
>>> installed by default and does allow the sound to work for most people
>>> (read the questions in this ML about people having problems with getting
>>> sound when installing Ubuntu).
>>>
>>> Install alsamixergui by default so that people can get to see all the
>>> parameters available to get sound working - which pulseaudio does not
>>> allow as I have already explained - and then if you want to stream or
>>> whatever your sound then install pulseaudio.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why should one app hoging the sound to the exclusion of all others be a
>>>> defining characteristic of Linux?!
>>>>
>>> Exactly. Why should a PITA app. like pulseaudio cause such hassles with
>>> sound for people installing Ubuntu?
>>>
>> I can't begin to understand why anyone would want to use pulseaudio on
>> OSX given how many problems it creates on Linux and how smooth the
>> audio experience is on a Mac (or even on Windows).
>
> Umm, in Windows there is no sound until you install the driver for your
> sound card. Have no idea about the Mac.

The great majority of Windows users buy it pre-installed with all the
drivers for that box's hardware.

For OS X, everything works out of the box whether you get it
pre-installed or do a bare-metal install because Macs are built with a
limited number of hardware configurations. Quite frankly, I tell the
traders and brokers at work (for whom price isn't a factor), to buy
Macs when they ask me what they should buy; especially since they all
have iPods and iPhones (and now iPads) and are therefore familiar and
comfortable with Apple's style and way of doing things.

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