Re: Wyeth sued: HRT caused breast cancers

["george conklin" <george@xxxxxxx>]

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message 
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> george conklin wrote:
>> "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> > george conklin wrote:
>> >>    Women have had to fight off physicians who pushed them actively 
>> >> into
>> >> HRT
>> >> therapy not only for hot flashes but also for promised that they would
>> >> have
>> >> all kinds of other benefits, now known to be false and based on biased
>> >> research.
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>> > COMMENT:
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>> > "Biased research" your rear-end, George. All studies are imperfect in
>> > SOME way, but that doesn't warrant calling them "biased research,"
>> > inasmuch as that phrase implies things which aren't so.
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>>     A really ignorant comment.  Self-selection is one of the oldest 
>> biases
>> known and unfortunately the model for HRT research.  It was crappy 
>> research,
>> and unfortunatly such self-selection continues in the medical world.
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> COMMENT:
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> ONCE AGAIN: Self selection is why you're supposed to be eating
> vegetables. Are you REALLY asking us to throw out all post hoc
> epidemiology completely?
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> SBH
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  Healthy women self-selected for HRT in the first place.   Epidemology 
involving large groups of non-selected people is quite different from the 
looking at those who go to doctors and who do not resist the push they are 
giving to get HRT.  My wife had to say NO to HRT, but was pushed pushed and 
pushed.  The benefits were supposed to be tremendous for diseases now known 
only to be made worse by HRT.  You mentioned that doctors always knew the 
facts of HRT.  Well, in fact the medical business did NOT know the risks 
because the risks were self-selected.  Epidemiology is a vast field and but 
work based on who goes to the doctor is not the same thing either.