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"SJ Doc" <predone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:30:36 -0700, "Robert" wrote:
>
> >Zee has never treated one single patient. All she does is talk
> >about something she has no idea or experience in.
>
> Oh. Thanks for the information. I got a look-in on this
> thread via talk.politics.medicine and I don't recall having
> read this poster previously.
She posts under different handles and erases her posts from google search
engines. She also distances herself from her own
posts stating they don't always reflect her views.
She basically is against everything you have said or stated above.
> I *do* agree that the allocation of big bucks to marketing
> in the pharma industry is goddam grotesque, but principally
> because I can view the whole process as something of an
> outsider. The primary care practitioner (PCP) isn't exactly
> what you'd call a high-profile target for Big Pharma promo-
> tional spending.
She blames the PCP and most doctors and scientists as money grabbing
unconcienable liars and cheats under control of big money pharm.
>
> At the same time, I guess I'm something of an insider, too.
> Three of my classmates in medical school had been pharma
> sales representatives - "detail men" - before deciding to get
> into a profession where you can tell perfect strangers to take
> off their clothes and they pay you for the privilege. These guys
> used to regale us with stories about their encounters with the
> doctors in their sales territories, and I got an earful about how
> greedily some of my senior colleagues would behave.
To her that is the norm and not the exception. She believes in government
control over doctors and all heathcare professionals as most Canadians have
with their system.
>
> The doctor who knows a bit about the pharma industry can
> "play" the marketing measures to his patients' advantage.
> Product samples are remarkably useful when you're trying
> to run a short course of trial therapy to determine tolerability
> and/or efficacy, and a lot of my indigent patients wouldn't be
> on pharmacotherapy at all if I didn't have samples or "com-
> passionate use" stock bottles of medications I'd wheedled out
> of the sales guys. There's other stuff besides the silly junk (the
> pens and pads and coffee mugs) that the reps hand out, in-
> cluding some pretty good patient assessment and education
> materials to make it easier for a guy to function effectively.
Exactly. She finds that appalling and then brags about how cheap the drugs
are in Canada.
>
> Besides, the coffee mugs are pretty cool. I've got a collection
> that includes a mug for just about every medicinal product with-
> drawn from the U.S. market because of drug safety problems
> over the past twenty-odd years. Embarrasses the hell out of
> some of the sales reps, let me tell ya.
I have gotten a few mugs from my doctor also, a few pins and notepads. To
posters here that means you are under the pockets of the pharm reps.
They claim that anyone not agreeing with their views are pharm reps who post
here in the thousands.
>
> -----------------
> The Ten Commandments display was removed from the Alabama
> Supreme Court building, but here was a good reason for the move.
>
> You can't post "Thou Shalt Not Steal" in a building full of lawyers
> and politicians without creating a hostile work environment.
They call the politicians running the Canadian Healthcare system,
"Honourable" to remind them of that fact before having someone wait 3 years
for heart surgery.
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