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sieweke@xxxxxxxx wrote:
> :Steve Harris:
> COMMENT:
> Except an insulin less likely to provoke anti-insulin
> antibodies, and
> one free of the quality control problems of producing
> a product from
> dead animals.
>
> Unless you are a deceased person to be thawed out like a microwave
> burrito--then the word "dead" is prefaced by the word "apparently".
>
> http://www.skeptic.com/01.2.harris-dead.html
>
> THE SOCIETY FOR THE RECOVERY OF PERSONS APPARENTLY DEAD
> By Steven B. Harris, Ph.D.
>
> In the context of some of the foregoing observations, it is interesting
> to consider cryonics as an unaccepted technical idea. The study of
> history always offers perspective. Thus, if we cryonicists shudder with
> dread over the idea of a "premature" burial, or the idea of a viable
> person being destroyed by the autopsy knife, we may be a bit chastened
> to find that this conflict is already two centuries old, and not over
> concerns invented entirely by us.
>
>
> Steve Harris:
> This gets down to issues of why
> you can't find vinyl record players or 8-track tapes
> anymore. The world moves on.
>
> Why? Have they been frozen with their owners? If it "moves on" as you
> say regarding insulin, it also does the same for those who have ceased
> to breathe.
>
> www.alcor.org/printable.cgi?fname=conferences%2F2002%2Fbios.html">http://www.alcor.org/printable.cgi?fname=conferences%2F2002%2Fbios.html
>
> Fifth Alcor Conference on Extreme Life Extension--Alcor: providing
> cryonic suspension services since 1972.
>
> Steven B. Harris, MD
> was trained as an internist and geriatrician, and is now Director of
> Research at Critical Care Research, Inc. He has been interested in
> experimental gerontology and has published work in dietary restriction
> experiments in mice, and in humans in Biosphere II. His current work is
> in experimental induction of very rapid hypothermia in lab animals by
> means of liquid fluorocarbon breathing. The goal of this work is to
> ultimately make possible brain resuscitation without damage, after half
> an hour or more of cardiac arrest and "clinical death". Dr. Harris is a
> contributing editor of SKEPTIC magazine and a self-confessed enthusiast
> of science fiction, usenet, and scuba.
>
> Steve Harris wrote:
>
> But you've got me. I didn't think anybody could still be that stupid as
>
> to continue to produce beef insulin in this day and age, but
> apparently, there are some people who still are. But let me put it on
> record here and now, WHY and think it's stupid, and predict that more
> trouble is to come from it. And that you disagreed with me.
>
> Many would say they didn't think anybody could still be stupid enough
> to believe that "freeze-fried" humans can be brought back to life,
> given enough time and technology to remedy what killed them and
> "reaminate" them. It appears you're no stranger to trouble regarding
> YOUR aspirations:
>
> www.lef.org/featured-articles/track.html">http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/track.html
>
> Life Extension Foundation
> All of this research came to a crushing halt on February 26, 1987, when
> the FDA raided The Foundation's facilities. The FDA seized most of the
> supplements we were selling to support the research and then launched a
> full-scale criminal investigation and prosecution that lasted until
> 1996 (when the U.S. Attorney's Office dropped the case completely).
>
> Not only did the FDA's actions economically cripple The Foundation's
> ability to continue funding research, but FDA agents paid personal
> visits to some of the scientists who had received the financial grants
> and told them the that the money they received from us might be from
> the proceeds of "criminal activity", and the scientists could therefore
> be charged with "money laundering" for accepting our grants. One
> scientist was terrorized into stopping an important antiaging project,
> but most of them (such as Dr. Roy Walford) were not intimidated and
> continued to use our grant money to further their research.
>
> In 1988, we were able to initiate a project to investigate Dr. Donner
> Denckla's death hormone theory of aging, but this too had to be
> abandoned as the FDA took even more aggressive steps to shut us down.
>
> It is my opinion that had the FDA not stopped the research projects we
> were funding in the late 1980's, there would have been substantial
> advances made in human aging control by now. In essence, the FDA set
> the most ambitious antiaging/life extension research program of all
> time back by twelve years, which represents a significant portion of
> the projected life span of those reading this article.
>
> The Critical Care Research Project is developing advanced methods to
> control death. The project has generated several anti-ischemia drug
> cocktails, an automated induced-hypothermia system, and an advanced
> cardiopulmonary rescue system have the potential of saving the lives of
> millions of people. Key scientists working on the Critical Care
> Research Project: Mike Darwin, Steven B. Harris, M.D., Sandra Russell,
> M.S. The Project operates out of two buildings in Rancho Cucamonga, CA,
> is exclusively funded by The Life Extension Foundation.
>
> www.lef.org/featured-articles/advisory.htm">http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/advisory.htm
>
> Steven B. Harris, MD,
> is president and director of research at Critical Care Research, a
> company that grew out of 21st Century Medicine in Rancho Cucamonga, CA.
> Dr. Harris participates in groundbreaking hypothermia, cryothermia, and
> ischemia research. His research interests include antioxidant and
> dietary-restriction effects in animals and humans.
>
> Y'all visit the Life Extension website, now. Be sure an' bring VALID
> credit/debit cards; they've got vitamins and other potions to help ya'
> live forever. But don't worry- if the vitamins don't do it for ya',
> we'll just haul ya' over to the Alcor website and wrap ya' and yore
> broken innards in aluminum foil; and like leftovers, we'll thaw ya out
> when we're ready for ya.
COMMENT:
For extra credit, who is the (anonymous) author of this piece of wisdom
on the subjec of ad hominem, posted a few years ago:
======================================================
Have been reading this thread for a while now. What some fail to see
here, is that the man has a public life as someone who tries to help
those suffering from diabetes and a PRIVATE or PERSONAL life, which
has absolutely no place in this diabetes group.
Whether you know him or not, agree or disagree with his stands on
issues, everyone here should know that to report supposed details of
someone's private life has no place here. Those posting the rumors
haven't any way of proving them; we are all left with the same
anecdotal evidence--true or untrue--that most of you despise. Noticed
that there were some who were not too pleased when someone else gave
supposed details of their private/personal lives. She, however, had
the decency NOT to add names to her descriptions. Dave Groves did not
receive that sort of decency from quite a few posting here; it is
wrong only what it happens to YOU, it seems.
Those posting alleged personal stories have just stopped short of
accusing the man of punishable crimes--they have ascribed almost all
else to him. One doesn't need to agree with one thing he is either
trying to do or stands for to start having some respect for
THEMSELVES. The story is often judged not by what's told but by the
one who tells it.
Would rather read about diabetes here; if I want sleaze, I'll simply
drop a few bucks for the National Enquirer and other tabloids.
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