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Re: An uncountable countable set

Subject: Re: An uncountable countable set
From: Virgil
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:04:02 -0700
Newsgroups: sci.math
In article <45478bb7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
 Tony Orlow <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> MoeBlee wrote:
> > Tony Orlow wrote:
> >> I am beginning to realize just how much trouble the axiom of
> >> extensionality is causing here.
> > 
> > Oh, now the axiom of extensionality.
> > 
> > When you buy into Robinson's non-standard analysis you buy into the
> > axiom of extensionality, and all the other axioms of set theory, and
> > mathematical logic - the whole kit and kaboodle - including the axiom
> > of choice, ordinals, and uncountable cardinals, and all the
> > "transfinitology" (even if not with platonistic committments) you so
> > strenuously disclaim.  
> > 
> > MoeBlee
> > 
> 
> Dear Moe -
> 
> When I say there are problems with the axiom of extensionality, I refer 
> to the application of the fact that two sets, when viewed statically, 
> contain the same elements. 
 
When you deny that, you cannot then insist on anything that relies on 
that, such as Robinson's non-standard analysis.

Such things as ZF set theory or  Robinson's theories come all of a 
piece, not as parts catalogues from which you can pick only what you 
want and then go to someone else's catalog for other bits and pieces.

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