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Re: An uncountable countable set

Subject: Re: An uncountable countable set
From: Virgil
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:21:41 -0700
Newsgroups: sci.math
In article <454762d8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
 Tony Orlow <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> David R Tribble wrote:
> > David R Tribble wrote:
> >>> Every member of N has a finite successor.  Can you prove that your
> >>> "infinite naturals" are members of N?
> > 
> > Virgil wrote:
> >>> The property of not being an infinite natural holds for the first
> >>> natural, and holds for the successor of each non-infinite natural, so
> >>> that it must hold for ALL naturals.
> > 
> > Tony Orlow wrote:
> >> It holds for all finite naturals, but if there are an infinite number of
> >> naturals generating using increment, then there are naturals which are
> >> the result of infinite increments, which must have infinite value.

The naturals are naturally well ordered, which means that any non-empty 
subset of them must have a first element. 
So either the set of infinite naturals is empty or it has a first 
element. Which is it TO?
> > 
> > Can you show us one of those infinite naturals?
> > 

> > 
> 
> I meant an infinite number of increments, each being a successive 
> difference of +1 in measure.

So what is the first infinite natural, TO? And which finite natural is 
it the successor of?

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