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Randy Poe <poespam-trap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Mike Kelly wrote:
>> Tony Orlow wrote:
>> > Mike Kelly wrote:
>> > Nothing is allowed to happen at noon in either experiment.
>>
>> Nothing "happens" at noon? I take this to mean that there is no
>> insertion or removal of balls at noon, yes? Well, I agree with that.
>> But what relevence does this have to the statement "noon does not
>> exist"? What does that even *mean*?
>>
>> When you've been saying "noon doesn't exist", you actually mean to say
>> "no insertion or removal of balls occurs at noon"?
>>
>> How about this experiment, does noon "exist" in this experiment :
>>
>> Insert a ball labelled "1" into the vase at one minute to noon.
>>
>> ?
> I think that when Tony and Han say "noon doesn't exist" they
> really mean "there is no noon on the clock in that experiment",
> as a way of saying "I have no idea how to answer questions about
> noon in that experiment, so I'll say that there is no noon and that
> way I don't have to answer any such questions."
That sounds about right. It is also interesting that for some
reason "noon" is not a necessary part of the problem, but "rates"
and "iterations" are. Any formulation that ignores rates is
incorrect, but it is okay to ignore "noon", despite the fact
the actual question is about "noon".
Stephen
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