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Re: Kelley 1.T, Brouwer reduction theorem

Subject: Re: Kelley 1.T, Brouwer reduction theorem
From: William Elliot
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:44:22 -0700
Newsgroups: sci.math
From: Stephen J. Herschkorn <sjherschko@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Newsgroups: sci.math
Subject: Kelley 1.T, Brouwer reduction theorem

> Problem 1.T in Kelley basically asks the reader to prove the
> following version of the Brouwer Reduction Theorem. Consider a
> topological space all of whose subspaces are Lindeloef.  Let  C  be a
> collection of closed sets with the property that if  D is a countable
> chain (with respect to inclusion) and a subfamily of  C,  then the
> intersection of  D  is in  C.  Then for any  A  in  C,  there exists
> a minimal susbset  B  of  A  which is also in  C.

Kelley states this poorly as he makes no connection between the property P
and P being an inductive property in the theorem, other than by spatial
association and psychic surmise.

> First question:  My proof invokes Zorn's lemma.  Have I relied
> on the Axiom of Choice unnecessarily?

Don't think so.

> 1.T(b)  asks,  in "an arbritrary topological space can any result
> of this general sort be affirmed?"  My answer is that one should
> remove the countable condition on  D  from the above hypothesis.  Is
> there a less restrictive hypothesis for this "sort" of result?

Besides countable, also removable from the notion of inductive, is nest
and/or closed for property P.  With nest removed, AxC isn't needed.  With
countable removed, inductive is somewhat a misnomer and the strength of
the theorem diminished.

The answer to 1.T(b) is no.  An example of a space that Brower's reduction
theorem doesn't apply is omega_1.

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