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Re: The L3 Revolution

Subject: Re: The L3 Revolution
From: "galathaea"
Date: 30 Oct 2006 22:40:03 -0800
Newsgroups: sci.logic
Confutus wrote:
> galathaea wrote:

[...]

> > > Post's "cyclical" system which is just a bit later
> > > than that of  Lukasiewicz  isn't nearly as useful for reasoning.
> >
> > i would disagree with this
>
> I haven't seen what it's useful for. My thought was something that
> reduces to classical logic if you eliminate the 3rd value, and Post's
> cyclical negation doesn't do that.
>
> > his system
> >   provides a layered refinement
> >   of the logics between the boolean and the heyting
> > and the structural distinctions
> > all have natural functional interpretations in decision theory
>
> I'm not familiar at all with decision theory, so I can't comment on
> that.

i must sincerely apologise
  but i was confused in thie response

and had been internally speaking of stone algebras

this is not the first time i have mentally confused
  stone and post logics
  and a handicap i must be more careful about

this time was most certainly aided by hubris

see
  i had seen your mention of cyclic negation
  and i _knew_ negation in stone algebras was not cyclic
because of (~x) \/ (~~x) = 1

in fact
  i have been looking for a cyclic negation lately
for some scribblings i have about embedding logics
in hypergeometric relations

and i _knew_ that it was something i'd seen before
but i have found no trace in my notebooks
  and scanning through books had not been helpful

google and its scholar have been less than helpful here
  at least with terms like "cyclic negation"

so i thought you had mispoke about the property

but of course
  as you know
post algebras do have cyclic negation
and they are functionally complete
and (x) /\ (~x) /\ (~~x) /\ ... /\ ((~)^(n-1) (x)) = 0
and all of the other properties i have found
  in my hypergeometric logics

and they are exactly the logics i have been looking for

i am deeply grateful to you for bringing this (back) to my knowledge
  and i hope you will not mind it if i credit you for this
  in the paper i am writing on these logics

i do not think i can express how much
  this ties fragmentary pieces together

and i would have learned all this days earlier
if i had not assumed you mispoke
  and lay blinded by ignorance and conceit...

[...]

> > if you were to take a separateness axiom of truth values
> >   (any reasonably justifiable one
> >    like the tendency you comment on)
> > and were led to a countable infinity of uncertain values
> >
> > what would be the down-side
> >   philosophically?
>
> I don't know about philosophically. I do think it's easier and more
> practical to deal with one uncertain value than a countible infinity of
> them.

a very chrysippian compromise...

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