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Re: Foundations of Mathematics

Subject: Re: Foundations of Mathematics
From: "Charlie-Boo"
Date: 19 Oct 2006 12:13:55 -0700
Newsgroups: sci.logic
John Jones wrote:
> Charlie-Boo wrote:
>
> I expect you had a good work-out there. They are always useful.
> I read what you wrote. In a nutshell this time, the point I am making
> is that if an object references itself then I would not know about it.
> In sentences like this:
>
> "This does not have four words."
>
> I am entitled to ask 'what does not have four words?'  A self-reference
> cannot announce itself except by another act of reference. A
> self-reference announces nothing.

Can a computer program output itself?

Can you put the wind in your pocket?

> If two objects refer to each other
> and nothing else then I cannot recognise the reference.
>
> So in:
> 'this sentence is not made of five words'
> I need to announce what sentence I am talking about. 'This sentence.. '
> is a false reference. If we eliminate the false referenvce we get
> ' ....  sentence is not made of five words'
> In which case you see, I am entitled to ask 'what sentence  is not made
> of five words'?
>
> Summating, self-reference requires another act of reference to identify
> a particular sentence. This needs to be made explicit.

1. A sentence is constructed.
2. It then exists and references to it refer to something,
3. You read that sentence.
4. All references to it are resolved by referring to the sentence that
you decided to read.

What is the last thing that you read?

(Actual question on personal profiles page.)

C-B


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