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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:31:02 -0600, Virgil <virgil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>In article <ebpbf2lmbdrpgf80jnto1ut090862cchve@xxxxxxx>,
> Lester Zick <dontbother@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:37:42 -0600, Virgil <virgil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <2nf9f2tqquu6umf301ss7l6r6ntqr0fkia@xxxxxxx>,
>> > Lester Zick <dontbother@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >If in any statement involving the definiendum it can be replace by the
>> >> >definiens without change of meaning, one has a valid definition.
>> >>
>> >> Which of course doesn't make the definition true.
>> >
>> >AS definitions are expressed in the imperative mood
>> >(let 'A' represent 'B'!) and only statements in the declarative mood or
>> >possibly the subjunctive, can be true or false, it is impossible to make
>> >a definition either true or false.
>>
>> Oh do tell us, sport, if this indeed represents the epistemology of
>> modern math?
>
>This is the grammatic structure of English, and some other languages, as
>well.
So now you want to argue mathematical issues in terms of the English
language? For years I've argued mathematical issues in generic terms
and routinely been upbraided by neomathematikers doyens that such
could not be done. Now we have Virgil the Grammarian to do exactly
that. Look, Virgil, I already agree with you axioms and definitions in
modern math are not true and consequently modern math cannot be true
and that neomathematikers are only qualified to give orders. End of
report. Case closed.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_mood#Imperative_mood
>Imperative mood
>
>The imperative mood expresses commands, direct requests, and
>prohibitions. In many circumstances, directly using the imperative mood
>seems blunt or even rude, so it is often used with care. Example: "Paul,
>read that book".
>Many languages, including English, use the bare verb stem to form the
>imperative. In English, second-person is implied by the imperative
>except when first-person plural is specified, as in "Let's go."
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>Indicative mood
>The indicative mood is used in factual statements. All intentions in
>speaking that a particular language does not put into another mood use
>the indicative. It is the most commonly used mood and is found in all
>languages. Example: "Paul is reading books" or "Paul reads books".
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>Declarative mood
>Closely related is the declarative mood which indicates that the
>statement is true, without any qualifications being made. It is in many
>languages equivalent to the indicative mood, although sometimes
>distinctions between them are drawn.
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