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Re: Every set x equinumerous with a set y disjoint from x?

Subject: Re: Every set x equinumerous with a set y disjoint from x?
From: "MoeBlee"
Date: 29 Aug 2006 15:48:16 -0700
Newsgroups: sci.logic
Chris Menzel wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2006 10:37:51 -0700, MoeBlee <jazzmobe@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:
> > Rupert wrote:
> >> Let S be a set. Let T=ran(S), that is, T is the set of y such that
> >> there exists an x such that <x,y> is in S. There is a surjection from S
> >> to T.
> >
> > How do we show there is a surjection from S to T without the axiom of
> > choice?
>
> Either S contains at least one ordered pair or it doesn't.  If it
> doesn't, then T is empty and 0 is a surjection from S to T.

Hmm, by my definition, 0 is a surjection from 0 onto 0, but not from a
non-empty S onto 0. But it doesn't matter here, since if T is 0 then
the next step in Rupert's proof works anyway.

> If it does,
> then there is an ordered pair z in S and hence also the surjective
> function f_z : S -> T such that
>
>             2nd(w) if w is an ordered pair
>   f_z(w) =
>             2nd(z), otherwise
>
> (where, of course, for ordered pairs z = <x,y>, 2nd(z) = y).

Got it.

And I just figured out to show PS\T not= 0.

So that's two proofs that work to answer my original question.

Thanks,

MoeBlee


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