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Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> Ray wrote:
> > Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > Ray wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I don't know it's proper to ask this kind of question here. But it has
> > > > recently come to my attention that the noun phrase "courses lectured in
> > > > English" is rather common. As a non-native speaker and learner of the
> > > > language, I don't think it is correct. Could the native speakers of
> > > > English among you please tell me what you think?
> > > >
> > > > I'd appreciate your help.
> > >
> > > It's not grammatical, because it's the passive of "someone lectures the
> > > course," and "lecture" is not transitive that way.
> > >
> > > You can say "She lectured her students," but that doesn't mean that she
> > > taught them by lecturing -- it means that she scolded them.
> >
> >
> > Someone brought the following passages to my attention:
> >
> >
> > 1. It was asked how much consideration questionnaire results received,
> > and why, if a lecturer scores very badly one year, he/she may continue
> > to lecture the course the following year.
> > (http://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/~murc/minutes/mins9511.html)
> >
> >
> > 2. Resources are required to lecture the course, to invigilate the
> > practical and problem sessions, to set and mark coursework, to set and
> > mark exams, to answer student questions, and so on.
> >
> > (
> > www.engineering.ucl.ac.uk/committees/pg_sub/Documents%20for%20Approval%2014%20August%202006/COMPGF01_gpcJune20061.doc">http://www.engineering.ucl.ac.uk/committees/pg_sub/Documents%20for%20Approval%2014%20August%202006/COMPGF01_gpcJune20061.doc)
> >
> >
> > The two sentences are taken from British sources. I want to know
>
> They sure talk funny in England.
FYI, even an American site has a sentence like that:
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Not only will you find the Russian language courses offered listed
below, but also any special Russian literature and culture classes that
will be available. These special courses are lectured in English and
are always a mind-opening experience.
www.southalabama.edu/languages/russian/russiancourses.html">http://www.southalabama.edu/languages/russian/russiancourses.html
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I know the location of the site says nothing about the linguistic
background of the authorship. That paragraph may or may not have been
written by a non-native speaker. Is there anything that is particularly
unidiomatic here that makes you suspect it was written by a non-native
speaker?
Ray
>
> > whether they are valid evidence for the transitive use of the verb
> > "lecture". Or are the authors non-native speakers? Maybe could you
> > please look at other sentences on the sites to see if there is any sign
> > of non-native English speakers?
>
> No, thank you.
>
> It's bad enough that they are an Oxford mathematician and a London
> engineer.
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