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Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1156948070.524560.281580@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> > 29 Aug 2006 12:41:25 -0700: "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxx>: in sci.lang:
> >
> > >I know exactly how sections are _supposed_ to work, and I have no
> > >problem inserting cross references; it simply refuses to update them
> > >when their numbers change.
> >
> > A cross reference is like when you say "For more on this see 3.1 So
> > and so on page 73" right? And the page number, title etc should all be
> > automatically updated when they change.
>
> In Word you have to enter the section number and the page number as two
> independent operations. In FrameMaker you can enter them both with a
> single operation, if you've formulated your "Variable" to include both
> paragraph number and page number. (I think it's even one of the
> standard out-of-the-box options.)
>
> > I use that several times, and it always worked. Did you try F9, or
> > ctrl-A F9 to update them all over the document?
>
> My author, for some reason, had numbered footnotes straight through two
> chapters (a long one and a very short one). Of course I inserted the
> cross references while I was still in her old numbering system, then
> changed the numbers in the footnote formatting window to begin at 1 in
> that section, but Word would not chage the reference to "n. 179" to "n.
> 6."
>
> > >This would not happen in FrameMaker.
> >
> > >Word doesn't use "hidden tags." Maybe you're thinking of WordPerfect.
> >
> > Word now (97 and up) has Shift-F1 to show what WordPerfect's
> > 'underwater screen' shows. It show the paragraph and character styles
> > (if any) and direct paragraph and character formatting.
>
> Why would I want to see WP-style markup?
>
> Word's own "Show Formatting" gives you a column at the left with that
> info. (I see no reason to use it, so I've never bothered to look at it
> -- all its data are shown in the Toolbars.)
>
> > >All paragraph formatting is "contained in" the paragraph symbol at its
> > >end (just as all section formatting is "contained in" the following
> > >section break marker).
> >
> > Looks like a rather smart solution. Where else would you put? Didn't
> > WP5.1 do the same?
>
> I didn't have to do extra deleting to make the period the actual last
> character in a paragraph after importing to Frame, so perhaps it did it
> differently.
>
> And this makes a huge difference in searching in FrameMaker. I can't
> get rid of all those extra paragraph spaces (where the writer has
> oh-so-helpfully hit Return twice after each paragraph) by searching
> \p\p (the Frame equivalent of ^p^p), because of the invisible character
> between them; but if I select the invisible character and Copy it,
> Paste can't find anything to paste into the Search box (or anywhere
> else).
In Word one can search for '^p?^p'. That searches for instances
of a single character surrounded by paragraph marks.
Does FrameMaker have a similar wildcard moniker?
> (And I can't do it in Word before importing to Frame, because if the
> file uses fonts that aren't on my computer, that information is lost
> from the file when it's saved; whereas Frame preserves info about
> unavailable fonts so that they can be searched and replaced.)
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