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Re: PCs plugged into power strip into ungrounded GFCI?

Subject: Re: PCs plugged into power strip into ungrounded GFCI?
From: Bud--
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:01:36 -0500
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.basics
w_tom wrote:


IEEE and NIST 'introduce' various types of protectors.
  NIST / IEEE does not recommend as Bud assumes.  Those papers define
various protector methods.


IEEE guide - chapter 6 provides examples protection using surge suppressors.

"SPECIFIC PROTECTION EXAMPLES
"The previous sections have shown, in general, how to protect electronic systems in houses:
"1) Proper grounding and bonding, especially at the service entrance.
"2) AC panel and primary signal surge protection at or near the service
entrance.
"3) Multi-port plug-in protectors near the equipment to be protected."
#3 explicitly recognizes plug-in surge suppressors as effective. As is clearly described, these devices work primarily by clamping all wires to a common ground at the surge suppressor.

Why do both examples of surge protection in this chapter use multi-port plug-in surge suppressors?? If you have trouble figuring out the text look at the nice pictures of multi-port plug-in surge suppressors.

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NIST guide

page 12 discussing protection of 2-port equipment:
"A simple solution to the problems of voltage differences for two-link appliances is to install a special surge protector that incorporates, in the same package, a combination fo input/output connections for the two systems. Each link, power and communications, is fed through the protector which is then inserted between the wall receptacles and the input of the appliance [electronic device] to be protected. This type of surge protector is readily available in computer and electronics stores, and the electrical section of home building stores." If you have trouble figuring out the text look at the nice pictures of multi-port plug-in surge suppressors.

page 16 - questions and answers:
"Q - Will a surge suppressor installed at the service entrance be sufficient for the whole house? "A - There are two answers to that question: Yes for one-link appliances [electronic devices], No for two-link appliances. Since most homes today have some kind of two-link appliances, the prudent answer to the question would be No - but that does not mean that a surge protector installed at the service entrance is useless. ...."

Page 17 - surge suppressor installation hints:
"Plug-in (with cord or directly into receptacle)
The easiest of all for anyone to do. The only question is "Which to choose?"

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Another paper writen by Martzloff, the NIST guru on surges, describes surge reference equalizers.

"CONCLUSIONS
"The rapid expansion of smart electronics involving power and communications connections creates the potential for disappointing performance under surge conditions if adequate, coordinated protection is not provided. Separate, uncoordinated surge protection of each of the two ports still leaves the possibility of damage or upset. "A new type of device, the 'Surge Reference Equalizer', offers a solution to the problem, provided that the performance characteristics of the device will be coordinated with the environmental stress and with other surge-protective devices that may be installed on the
systems."

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It takes willfull stupidity to claim the IEEE guide, the NIST guide, and Martzloff do not say plug-in protectors are effective.


 They are called shunt mode protectors.  They are effective when they
shunt the surge into earth.  So plug-in protector manufacturers don't
discuss earthing.


They do not operate primarily in shunt mode. The IEEE guide clearly describes, to anyone who can read and think, the action as clamping wires to a common ground at the plug-in surge suppressors. Your reading/thinking disability is unfortunate.

The IEEE and NIST guides clearly say plug-in surge suppressors are effective.

And you have never provided a link to a reputble source that says plug-in suppressors are not effective. It is you against the world.

bud--



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