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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:08:35 -0700, shevek4 wrote:
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> Keith wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:29:20 -0700, shevek4 wrote:
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>> > Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:13:18 -0700, shevek4 wrote:
>> >> > John Fields wrote:
>> >> >> On 26 Apr 2006 07:01:24 -0700, shevek4@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
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>> >> >> >For one, it's a piss-poor business plan. Everyone can copy it if it's
>> >> >> >good it will be around the world in a heartbeat.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I wasn't talking about business, I was talking about morality. Your
>> >> >> position seems to be that you condone the theft of intellectual
>> >> >> property, so I assume you think having my work stolen is OK. _Is_
>> >> >> that your position?
>> >> >
>> >> > I think we have some disagreement on the topic of what is theft. We
>> >> > both agree that if I break into your house and steal your notebook, I
>> >> > have commited theft - of valuable property - the information in it may
>> >> > be of great worth.
>> >> >
>> >> > Where we disagree is that you feel you can put your information on a
>> >> > giant sign facing the highway and then still claim to have exclusive
>> >> > ownership of that information. I feel that a passing literate motorist
>> >> > is not a thief.
>> >> >
>> >> > If for some reason you don't want people to know some information, and
>> >> > to take full advantage of it for their own purposes, then you'd best
>> >> > keep it to yourself.
>> >>
>> >> So, you're claiming you have a "right" to go to the public library, copy
>> >> a book, and sell the copies for profit, depriving the author of his
>> >> rightful income?
>> >>
>> >> That's theft. You're nothing but a common thief.
>> >>
>> >
>> > And so are you. Did you make up all those symbols you just sent me, or
>> > copy them?
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>> The alphabet is in the public domain.
>>
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> We agree!! :)
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>> > "Thief".. did you make that word up are are you simply stealing the
>> > work of previous linguists?
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>> Linguists don't invent language. <wow!>
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> Language can be trademarked and copyrighted..
Ok, but it's the linguists job to study language and perhaps its history,
not invent it. But true, one you copyright a language if you're its
author. You can even keep it as a trade secret, for all the good it'll do.
So?
>> > Give me a break. Of course I can go to the library and copy a book.
>> > If I want to sell the copies for profit I'd better have a good
>> > business plan because there's a lot of competition out there doing
>> > just that.
>>
>> Rich is right. You are nothing but a common thief.
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> Wow indeed. I'm surprised that nobody can defend IP laws without
> resorting to name calling.
No name calling. A simple statement of fact.
> How about a logical argument supporting your assertions? I guess it's
> harder than I thought.
Now who's pulling out the adhominem artillery? The fact remains that you
openly advocate theft of property, and are a thief.
> If I'm a common thief for copying a book, than the library must be
> organized crime. They're giving away the information for free. In
> fact, that's why your suggested business plan above doesn't work very
> well.
Try copying an entire book at the library some time. Do look up
the copyright laws before you do so though.
> But libraries don't "deprive authors of their rightful income", any more
> than a supermarket also deprives those authors of their rightful income
> - by taking peoples money that could be going to the authors. Used book
> dealers also don't take money from the author.
>
> Competition is not theft!
It is when you sell their property without compensation. You may own the
deat tree the ideas are transferred on. No one may own the ideas, but
the author owns the expressions of the ideas. If you copy those ideas and
sell them you've stolen property from the author.
--
Keith
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