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If ye break the 10 comandments the 10 comandments will be broken unto
you = eye for eye, tooth for tooth lest ye forgive, forget and respond
to the president's supervisor.
Astro Guy wrote:
> On 31 May 2006, bradbad@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >Where in the Bible does it say we need to uphold justice (if at all)?
> >and where is justice defined in the Bible?
> >Basically I'm trying to determine if there's a Christian need to decide
> >the consequence of a person's actions (like the death penalty, sending
> >them to jail, etc) outside of it being a deterrent and keeping them off
> >the street. This is related to a person who might say something like
> >"I forgive him, but he needs to be put to death (or jail) in the name
> >of justice."
> >I'd like to hear anyone's opinion, but am also looking for passages or
> >areas of the Bible that deals with the need to determine justice for
> >someone (if there is one) as well as the definition of justice so I can
> >look at it in context and decide for myself.
>
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> I don't believe that anyone needs a book, or needs to ask mortal
> sinners, to recognize what is inherently our God-given knowledge,
> as to know the difference between right and wrong, and what our
> duties are as human beings incarnate upon the Earth. But here
> are some of my favorite biblical passages in regard to some of
> the more popular types of sin (and whose wages is always death,
> having both temporal and profound consequences thereof, to wit).
>
> These are just a few scriptural passages, but you'd really need
> to go through every book of the bible with a fine toothed comb,
> from Genesis through the Revelation, and in its original tongues,
> and in the context of ancient, erudite, understandings of the
> subject matter, as a lot has been "lost in the translation",
> so to speak. Not so much in words or phrases, but in meanings
> and emphasis, comprehension and continuity. You should search
> the Internet for websites on Biblical Law, from the standpoint
> of Judaism and Christianity, both ancient and modern. Look for
> universal common denominators that've survived the test of time.
>
> For example...
>
> This is a brief repost from a previous article, generally with
> regard to the sins of adultery, abomination, and murder, but
> really all Ten Commandments must be considered together along
> with the Golden Rule, the Two Great Commandments upon which
> the Ten Commandments are eternally and universally founded;
> meaning they apply to everyone without exception, whether they
> believe in them or not (because God authored the Law, not men).
>
> As all True believers already know, the ancient Judeo-Xian
> scriptures make it abundantly, glaringly and unambiguously
> clear that homosexual is the most *abominable* form of
> adultery bar none. At its foundation, we see that adultery
> is irrefutably in violation of the Ten Commandments to wit:
>
> SOLIS:
>
> "non moechaberis"
> not shall you commit adultery.
> --Exodus 20:14, editio Vulgata
>
> "And Jesus said unto her, Neither do
> I condemn thee: go, and **sin no more**.
> --John 8:11ff AV (**emphasis added)
>
> There're actually 100s of passages which clearly denounce
> homosexuality in both old & new testament portions of the
> codified biblical canon. Below are some choice selections,
> the last of which is an informative summation from 2Peter:
>
> "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
> created he him; male and female created he them. And God
> blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
> multiply...
> "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man
> should be alone; I will make him an help meet for
> him...
> "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam,
> and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up
> the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD
> God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her
> unto the man. And Adam said This is now bone of my bones,
> and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman because
> she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his
> father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife:
> and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked,
> the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."
> --Genesis 1:27-28;2:18,21-25 AV
>
> "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
> it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any
> beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall
> any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto:
> it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of
> these things: for in all these the nations are de-
> filed which I cast out before you: And the land is
> defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof
> upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inha-
> bitants. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my
> judgments, and shall not commit any of these abomi-
> nations; neither any of your own nation, nor any
> stranger that sojourneth among you: (For all these
> abominations have the men of the land done, which
> were before you, and the land is defiled;) That the
> land spue not you out also when ye defile it, as it
> spued out the nations that were before you. For who-
> soever shall commit any of these abominations, even
> the souls that commit them shall be cut off from
> among their people. Therefore shall ye keep mine
> ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abo-
> minable customs, which were committed before you,
> and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am
> the LORD your God." --Leviticus 18:22-30 AV
>
> "Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for
> the life of a murderer, which is guilty of
> death: but he shall be surely put to death."
> --Numbers 35:31, AV (that says its all!)
>
> "Through which gave beside them the God in the
> desires of the hearts of them into uncleanness
> of the to be being dishonored the bodies of them
> in them, who exchanged the truth of the God in the
> lie, and they venerated and they rendered sacred
> service to the creation beside the One having created,
> who is blessed(one) into the ages; amen. Through this
> gave beside them the God into passions of dishonor;
> the and for females of them exchanged the natural use
> into the(one) beside nature, likewise and *also* the
> males having let go off the natural use of the female
> were burned out in the lust of them into one another
> males in males, the indecency working down and the
> return reward which it was necessary of the error of
> them in them receiving (back)from."--Romans 1:24-27
> [*emphasis added, ref. Westcott-Hort 1881, ITGS 1969]
>
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>
> And of course, homosexual marriage is the prophesied
> Abomination of Desolation, to wit:
>
> "...cum ergo videritis abominationem
> when therefore you are seeing the abomination
>
> desolationis quae dicta est a Danihelo
> of desolation which to be spoken of is by Daniel
>
> propheta stantem in loco sancto..."
> the prophet it is standing in the place sanctified
>
> --Matthew 24:15, editio Vulgata
> interlinear translation by Daniel Joseph Min
>
> "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
> desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
> stand in the holy place" ... "for then shall be
> great tribulation, such as was not since the
> beginning of the world to this time, no, nor
> ever shall be."--Matthew 24:15,21 AV
>
> ******************************************************
>
> "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about
> them in like manner, giving themselves over to for-
> nication, and going after strange flesh, are set
> forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of
> eternal fire." --Jude 1:7 AV
>
> "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being
> alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I
> have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and
> I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest
> that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils
> also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain
> man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham
> our father justified by works, when he had offered
> Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith
> wrought with his works, and by works was faith made
> perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith,
> Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for
> righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
> Ye see then how that by works a man is justified,
> and not by faith only." --James 2:17-24 AV
> ____________________________________________________
>
> So, Moses clearly wrote homosexuality is abomination
> (biblical Hebrew "tow'ebah", literally, abomination).
> Marriage is ABSOLUTELY between one man and one woman.
> Jesus also made it clear that God's law is *THE LAW*
> while preaching to the multitudes of Jews & Gentiles:
>
> "And his fame went throughout all Syria... And there
> followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee,
> and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from
> Judaea, and from beyond Jordan." Matthew 4:24-25 AV
>
> To this vast crowd, Jesus said many things including:
>
> "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
> prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
> For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth
> pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass
> from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever there-
> fore shall break one of these least commandments,
> and shall teach men so, he shall be called the
> least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall
> do and teach them, the same shall be called great
> in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19 AV
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>
> Also, another fine example in the Vulgar Latin:
>
> "dico avtem uobis qvia omni habenti dabitvr ab
> eo avtem qvi non habet et qvod habet avferetvr
> ab eo uervmtamen inimicos meos illos qvi
> nolvervnt me regnare svper se addvcite hvc
> et interficite ante me"--Lvcas 19:26,27 EU
>
> And in the King's English:
>
> "For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath
> shall be given; and from him that hath not, even
> that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those
> mine enemies, which would not that I should reign
> over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
> And when he had thus spoken, he went before,
> ascending up to Jerusalem."--Luke 19:26-28 AV
>
> The same literally, from the original Koi-ne' Greek:
>
> "legw umin oti panti tw econti
> I am saying to you that to everyone the having
>
> doyhsetai apo de tou mh econtov kai
> it will be given, from but the not having also
>
> o ecei aryhsetai
> that which he is having will be lifted up.
>
> plhn touv ecyrouv mou toutouv touv mh
> besides the enemies of me those the not
>
> yelhsantav me basileusai ep autouv
> to be willing me to reign over them
>
> agagete wde kai katasfaxate autouv
> lead you here and slaughter them
>
> emprosyen mou" --kata loykan 19:26,27
> in front of me.--WH-ITGS
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>
> "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
> is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy
> came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men
> of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
> But there were false prophets also among the people,
> even as there shall be false teachers among you, who
> privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying
> the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves
> swift destruction. And many shall follow their perni-
> cious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall
> be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they
> with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judg-
> ment now of a long time lingereth not, and their dam-
> nation slumbereth not. For if God spared not the angels
> that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell and delivered
> [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto
> judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah
> the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, brin-
> ging in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And
> turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes
> condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an
> ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And
> delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation
> of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among
> them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul
> from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds;) The Lord
> knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations,
> and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to
> be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh
> in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Pre-
> sumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid
> to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are
> greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation
> against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute
> beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the
> things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish
> in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of
> unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot
> in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting
> themselves with their own deceivings while they feast
> with you; Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot
> cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they
> have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
> Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray,
> following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved
> the wages of unrighteousness; But was rebuked for his ini-
> quity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the
> madness of the prophet. These are wells without water,
> clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist
> of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak
> great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through
> the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those
> that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
> While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the
> servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome,
> of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they
> have escaped the pollutions of the world through the
> knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are
> again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is
> worse with them than the beginning. For it had been bet-
> ter for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
> than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy
> commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto
> them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned
> to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to
> her wallowing in the mire." --2 Peter 1:20-2:22 AV
>
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>
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