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Re: Where in the bible does it says we need to uphold justice?

Subject: Re: Where in the bible does it says we need to uphold justice?
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Date: 31 May 2006 19:41:36 -0700
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If ye break the 10 comandments the 10 comandments will be broken unto
you = eye for eye, tooth for tooth lest ye forgive, forget and respond
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Astro Guy wrote:
> On 31 May 2006, bradbad@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >Where in the Bible does it say we need to uphold justice (if at all)?
> >and where is justice defined in the Bible?
> >Basically I'm trying to determine if there's a Christian need to decide
> >the consequence of a person's actions (like the death penalty, sending
> >them to jail, etc) outside of it being a deterrent and keeping them off
> >the street.  This is related to a person who might say something like
> >"I forgive him, but he needs to be put to death (or jail) in the name
> >of justice."
> >I'd like to hear anyone's opinion, but am also looking for passages or
> >areas of the Bible that deals with the need to determine justice for
> >someone (if there is one) as well as the definition of justice so I can
> >look at it in context and decide for myself.
>
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> I don't believe that anyone needs a book, or needs to ask mortal
> sinners, to recognize what is inherently our God-given knowledge,
> as to know the difference between right and wrong, and what our
> duties are as human beings incarnate upon the Earth. But here
> are some of my favorite biblical passages in regard to some of
> the more popular types of sin (and whose wages is always death,
> having both temporal and profound consequences thereof, to wit).
>
> These are just a few scriptural passages, but you'd really need
> to go through every book of the bible with a fine toothed comb,
> from Genesis through the Revelation, and in its original tongues,
> and in the context of ancient, erudite, understandings of the
> subject matter, as a lot has been "lost in the translation",
> so to speak. Not so much in words or phrases, but in meanings
> and emphasis, comprehension and continuity.  You should search
> the Internet for websites on Biblical Law, from the standpoint
> of Judaism and Christianity, both ancient and modern. Look for
> universal common denominators that've survived the test of time.
>
> For example...
>
> This is a brief repost from a previous article, generally with
> regard to the sins of adultery, abomination, and murder, but
> really all Ten Commandments must be considered together along
> with the Golden Rule, the Two Great Commandments upon which
> the Ten Commandments are eternally and universally founded;
> meaning they apply to everyone without exception, whether they
> believe in them or not (because God authored the Law, not men).
>
> As all True believers already know, the ancient Judeo-Xian
> scriptures make it abundantly, glaringly and unambiguously
> clear that homosexual is the most *abominable* form of
> adultery bar none. At its foundation, we see that adultery
> is irrefutably in violation of the Ten Commandments to wit:
>
>   SOLIS:
>
>    "non moechaberis"
>     not shall you commit adultery.
>     --Exodus 20:14, editio Vulgata
>
>    "And Jesus said unto her, Neither do
>     I condemn thee: go, and **sin no more**.
>     --John 8:11ff AV (**emphasis added)
>
> There're actually 100s of passages which clearly denounce
> homosexuality in both old & new testament portions of the
> codified biblical canon. Below are some choice selections,
> the last of which is an informative summation from 2Peter:
>
>  "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
>   created he him; male and female created he them. And God
>   blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
>   multiply...
>  "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man
>   should be alone; I will make him an help meet for
>   him...
>  "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam,
>   and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up
>   the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD
>   God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her
>   unto the man. And Adam said This is now bone of my bones,
>   and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman because
>   she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his
>   father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife:
>   and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked,
>   the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."
>   --Genesis 1:27-28;2:18,21-25 AV
>
>  "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
>   it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any
>   beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall
>   any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto:
>   it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of
>   these things: for in all these the nations are de-
>   filed which I cast out before you: And the land is
>   defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof
>   upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inha-
>   bitants. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my
>   judgments, and shall not commit any of these abomi-
>   nations; neither any of your own nation, nor any
>   stranger that sojourneth among you: (For all these
>   abominations have the men of the land done, which
>   were before you, and the land is defiled;) That the
>   land spue not you out also when ye defile it, as it
>   spued out the nations that were before you. For who-
>   soever shall commit any of these abominations, even
>   the souls that commit them shall be cut off from
>   among their people. Therefore shall ye keep mine
>   ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abo-
>   minable customs, which were committed before you,
>   and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am
>   the LORD your God." --Leviticus 18:22-30 AV
>
>  "Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for
>   the life of a murderer, which is guilty of
>   death: but he shall be surely put to death."
>   --Numbers 35:31, AV (that says its all!)
>
>  "Through which gave beside them the God in the
>   desires of the hearts of them into uncleanness
>   of the to be being dishonored the bodies of them
>   in them, who exchanged the truth of the God in the
>   lie, and they venerated and they rendered sacred
>   service to the creation beside the One having created,
>   who is blessed(one) into the ages; amen. Through this
>   gave beside them the God into passions of dishonor;
>   the and for females of them exchanged the natural use
>   into the(one) beside nature, likewise and *also* the
>   males having let go off the natural use of the female
>   were burned out in the lust of them into one another
>   males in males, the indecency working down and the
>   return reward which it was necessary of the error of
>   them in them receiving (back)from."--Romans 1:24-27
>   [*emphasis added, ref. Westcott-Hort 1881, ITGS 1969]
>
>  ******************************************************
>
>  And of course, homosexual marriage is the prophesied
>  Abomination of Desolation, to wit:
>
>  "...cum  ergo      videritis      abominationem
>      when therefore you are seeing the abomination
>
>      desolationis  quae  dicta           est a  Danihelo
>      of desolation which to be spoken of is  by Daniel
>
>      propheta    stantem        in loco      sancto..."
>      the prophet it is standing in the place sanctified
>
>    --Matthew 24:15, editio Vulgata
>      interlinear translation by Daniel Joseph Min
>
>  "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
>   desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
>   stand in the holy place" ... "for then shall be
>   great tribulation, such as was not since the
>   beginning of the world to this time, no, nor
>   ever shall be."--Matthew 24:15,21 AV
>
>  ******************************************************
>
>  "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about
>   them in like manner, giving themselves over to for-
>   nication, and going after strange flesh, are set
>   forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of
>   eternal fire." --Jude 1:7 AV
>
>  "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being
>   alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I
>   have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and
>   I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest
>   that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils
>   also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain
>   man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham
>   our father justified by works, when he had offered
>   Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith
>   wrought with his works, and by works was faith made
>   perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith,
>   Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for
>   righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
>   Ye see then how that by works a man is justified,
>   and not by faith only." --James 2:17-24 AV
>  ____________________________________________________
>
>  So, Moses clearly wrote homosexuality is abomination
>  (biblical Hebrew "tow'ebah", literally, abomination).
>  Marriage is ABSOLUTELY between one man and one woman.
>  Jesus also made it clear that God's law is *THE LAW*
>  while preaching to the multitudes of Jews & Gentiles:
>
>  "And his fame went throughout all Syria... And there
>   followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee,
>   and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from
>   Judaea, and from beyond Jordan." Matthew 4:24-25 AV
>
>  To this vast crowd, Jesus said many things including:
>
>  "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
>   prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
>   For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth
>   pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass
>   from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever there-
>   fore shall break one of these least commandments,
>   and shall teach men so, he shall be called the
>   least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall
>   do and teach them, the same shall be called great
>   in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19 AV
>  _____________________________________________________________
>
>  Also, another fine example in the Vulgar Latin:
>
>  "dico avtem uobis qvia omni habenti dabitvr ab
>   eo avtem qvi non habet et qvod habet avferetvr
>   ab eo uervmtamen inimicos meos illos qvi
>   nolvervnt me regnare svper se addvcite hvc
>   et interficite ante me"--Lvcas 19:26,27 EU
>
>  And in the King's English:
>
>  "For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath
>   shall be given; and from him that hath not, even
>   that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those
>   mine enemies, which would not that I should reign
>   over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
>   And when he had thus spoken, he went before,
>   ascending up to Jerusalem."--Luke 19:26-28 AV
>
>  The same literally, from the original Koi-ne' Greek:
>
>   "legw        umin   oti  panti       tw  econti
>    I am saying to you that to everyone the having
>
>    doyhsetai         apo  de  tou mh  econtov kai
>    it will be given, from but the not having  also
>
>    o          ecei         aryhsetai
>    that which he is having will be lifted up.
>
>    plhn    touv ecyrouv mou   toutouv touv mh
>    besides the  enemies of me those   the  not
>
>    yelhsantav    me basileusai ep   autouv
>    to be willing me to reign   over them
>
>    agagete  wde  kai katasfaxate autouv
>    lead you here and slaughter   them
>
>    emprosyen mou"  --kata loykan 19:26,27
>    in front  of me.--WH-ITGS
>  _____________________________________________________________
>
>  "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
>   is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy
>   came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men
>   of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
>   But there were false prophets also among the people,
>   even as there shall be false teachers among you, who
>   privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying
>   the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves
>   swift destruction. And many shall follow their perni-
>   cious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall
>   be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they
>   with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judg-
>   ment now of a long time lingereth not, and their dam-
>   nation slumbereth not. For if God spared not the angels
>   that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell and delivered
>   [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto
>   judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah
>   the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, brin-
>   ging in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And
>   turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes
>   condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an
>   ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And
>   delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation
>   of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among
>   them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul
>   from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds;) The Lord
>   knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations,
>   and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to
>   be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh
>   in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Pre-
>   sumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid
>   to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are
>   greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation
>   against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute
>   beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the
>   things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish
>   in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of
>   unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot
>   in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting
>   themselves with their own deceivings while they feast
>   with you; Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot
>   cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they
>   have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
>   Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray,
>   following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved
>   the wages of unrighteousness; But was rebuked for his ini-
>   quity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the
>   madness of the prophet. These are wells without water,
>   clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist
>   of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak
>   great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through
>   the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those
>   that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
>   While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the
>   servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome,
>   of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they
>   have escaped the pollutions of the world through the
>   knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are
>   again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is
>   worse with them than the beginning. For it had been bet-
>   ter for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
>   than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy
>   commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto
>   them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned
>   to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to
>   her wallowing in the mire." --2 Peter 1:20-2:22 AV
>
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