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guskz@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> If ye break the 10 comandments the 10 comandments will be broken unto
> you = eye for eye, tooth for tooth lest ye forgive, forget and respond
> to the president's supervisor.
whom gets your eye for eye, tooth for tooth if he doesn't deliver the
president's dictorial message within it's due time.
And so ye stone the prophets and messiah that I have sent you!
>
>
> Astro Guy wrote:
> > On 31 May 2006, bradbad@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >Where in the Bible does it say we need to uphold justice (if at all)?
> > >and where is justice defined in the Bible?
> > >Basically I'm trying to determine if there's a Christian need to decide
> > >the consequence of a person's actions (like the death penalty, sending
> > >them to jail, etc) outside of it being a deterrent and keeping them off
> > >the street. This is related to a person who might say something like
> > >"I forgive him, but he needs to be put to death (or jail) in the name
> > >of justice."
> > >I'd like to hear anyone's opinion, but am also looking for passages or
> > >areas of the Bible that deals with the need to determine justice for
> > >someone (if there is one) as well as the definition of justice so I can
> > >look at it in context and decide for myself.
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> > I don't believe that anyone needs a book, or needs to ask mortal
> > sinners, to recognize what is inherently our God-given knowledge,
> > as to know the difference between right and wrong, and what our
> > duties are as human beings incarnate upon the Earth. But here
> > are some of my favorite biblical passages in regard to some of
> > the more popular types of sin (and whose wages is always death,
> > having both temporal and profound consequences thereof, to wit).
> >
> > These are just a few scriptural passages, but you'd really need
> > to go through every book of the bible with a fine toothed comb,
> > from Genesis through the Revelation, and in its original tongues,
> > and in the context of ancient, erudite, understandings of the
> > subject matter, as a lot has been "lost in the translation",
> > so to speak. Not so much in words or phrases, but in meanings
> > and emphasis, comprehension and continuity. You should search
> > the Internet for websites on Biblical Law, from the standpoint
> > of Judaism and Christianity, both ancient and modern. Look for
> > universal common denominators that've survived the test of time.
> >
> > For example...
> >
> > This is a brief repost from a previous article, generally with
> > regard to the sins of adultery, abomination, and murder, but
> > really all Ten Commandments must be considered together along
> > with the Golden Rule, the Two Great Commandments upon which
> > the Ten Commandments are eternally and universally founded;
> > meaning they apply to everyone without exception, whether they
> > believe in them or not (because God authored the Law, not men).
> >
> > As all True believers already know, the ancient Judeo-Xian
> > scriptures make it abundantly, glaringly and unambiguously
> > clear that homosexual is the most *abominable* form of
> > adultery bar none. At its foundation, we see that adultery
> > is irrefutably in violation of the Ten Commandments to wit:
> >
> > SOLIS:
> >
> > "non moechaberis"
> > not shall you commit adultery.
> > --Exodus 20:14, editio Vulgata
> >
> > "And Jesus said unto her, Neither do
> > I condemn thee: go, and **sin no more**.
> > --John 8:11ff AV (**emphasis added)
> >
> > There're actually 100s of passages which clearly denounce
> > homosexuality in both old & new testament portions of the
> > codified biblical canon. Below are some choice selections,
> > the last of which is an informative summation from 2Peter:
> >
> > "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
> > created he him; male and female created he them. And God
> > blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
> > multiply...
> > "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man
> > should be alone; I will make him an help meet for
> > him...
> > "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam,
> > and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up
> > the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD
> > God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her
> > unto the man. And Adam said This is now bone of my bones,
> > and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman because
> > she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his
> > father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife:
> > and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked,
> > the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."
> > --Genesis 1:27-28;2:18,21-25 AV
> >
> > "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
> > it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any
> > beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall
> > any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto:
> > it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of
> > these things: for in all these the nations are de-
> > filed which I cast out before you: And the land is
> > defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof
> > upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inha-
> > bitants. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my
> > judgments, and shall not commit any of these abomi-
> > nations; neither any of your own nation, nor any
> > stranger that sojourneth among you: (For all these
> > abominations have the men of the land done, which
> > were before you, and the land is defiled;) That the
> > land spue not you out also when ye defile it, as it
> > spued out the nations that were before you. For who-
> > soever shall commit any of these abominations, even
> > the souls that commit them shall be cut off from
> > among their people. Therefore shall ye keep mine
> > ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abo-
> > minable customs, which were committed before you,
> > and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am
> > the LORD your God." --Leviticus 18:22-30 AV
> >
> > "Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for
> > the life of a murderer, which is guilty of
> > death: but he shall be surely put to death."
> > --Numbers 35:31, AV (that says its all!)
> >
> > "Through which gave beside them the God in the
> > desires of the hearts of them into uncleanness
> > of the to be being dishonored the bodies of them
> > in them, who exchanged the truth of the God in the
> > lie, and they venerated and they rendered sacred
> > service to the creation beside the One having created,
> > who is blessed(one) into the ages; amen. Through this
> > gave beside them the God into passions of dishonor;
> > the and for females of them exchanged the natural use
> > into the(one) beside nature, likewise and *also* the
> > males having let go off the natural use of the female
> > were burned out in the lust of them into one another
> > males in males, the indecency working down and the
> > return reward which it was necessary of the error of
> > them in them receiving (back)from."--Romans 1:24-27
> > [*emphasis added, ref. Westcott-Hort 1881, ITGS 1969]
> >
> > ******************************************************
> >
> > And of course, homosexual marriage is the prophesied
> > Abomination of Desolation, to wit:
> >
> > "...cum ergo videritis abominationem
> > when therefore you are seeing the abomination
> >
> > desolationis quae dicta est a Danihelo
> > of desolation which to be spoken of is by Daniel
> >
> > propheta stantem in loco sancto..."
> > the prophet it is standing in the place sanctified
> >
> > --Matthew 24:15, editio Vulgata
> > interlinear translation by Daniel Joseph Min
> >
> > "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
> > desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
> > stand in the holy place" ... "for then shall be
> > great tribulation, such as was not since the
> > beginning of the world to this time, no, nor
> > ever shall be."--Matthew 24:15,21 AV
> >
> > ******************************************************
> >
> > "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about
> > them in like manner, giving themselves over to for-
> > nication, and going after strange flesh, are set
> > forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of
> > eternal fire." --Jude 1:7 AV
> >
> > "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being
> > alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I
> > have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and
> > I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest
> > that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils
> > also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain
> > man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham
> > our father justified by works, when he had offered
> > Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith
> > wrought with his works, and by works was faith made
> > perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith,
> > Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for
> > righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
> > Ye see then how that by works a man is justified,
> > and not by faith only." --James 2:17-24 AV
> > ____________________________________________________
> >
> > So, Moses clearly wrote homosexuality is abomination
> > (biblical Hebrew "tow'ebah", literally, abomination).
> > Marriage is ABSOLUTELY between one man and one woman.
> > Jesus also made it clear that God's law is *THE LAW*
> > while preaching to the multitudes of Jews & Gentiles:
> >
> > "And his fame went throughout all Syria... And there
> > followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee,
> > and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from
> > Judaea, and from beyond Jordan." Matthew 4:24-25 AV
> >
> > To this vast crowd, Jesus said many things including:
> >
> > "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
> > prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
> > For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth
> > pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass
> > from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever there-
> > fore shall break one of these least commandments,
> > and shall teach men so, he shall be called the
> > least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall
> > do and teach them, the same shall be called great
> > in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19 AV
> > _____________________________________________________________
> >
> > Also, another fine example in the Vulgar Latin:
> >
> > "dico avtem uobis qvia omni habenti dabitvr ab
> > eo avtem qvi non habet et qvod habet avferetvr
> > ab eo uervmtamen inimicos meos illos qvi
> > nolvervnt me regnare svper se addvcite hvc
> > et interficite ante me"--Lvcas 19:26,27 EU
> >
> > And in the King's English:
> >
> > "For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath
> > shall be given; and from him that hath not, even
> > that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those
> > mine enemies, which would not that I should reign
> > over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
> > And when he had thus spoken, he went before,
> > ascending up to Jerusalem."--Luke 19:26-28 AV
> >
> > The same literally, from the original Koi-ne' Greek:
> >
> > "legw umin oti panti tw econti
> > I am saying to you that to everyone the having
> >
> > doyhsetai apo de tou mh econtov kai
> > it will be given, from but the not having also
> >
> > o ecei aryhsetai
> > that which he is having will be lifted up.
> >
> > plhn touv ecyrouv mou toutouv touv mh
> > besides the enemies of me those the not
> >
> > yelhsantav me basileusai ep autouv
> > to be willing me to reign over them
> >
> > agagete wde kai katasfaxate autouv
> > lead you here and slaughter them
> >
> > emprosyen mou" --kata loykan 19:26,27
> > in front of me.--WH-ITGS
> > _____________________________________________________________
> >
> > "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
> > is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy
> > came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men
> > of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
> > But there were false prophets also among the people,
> > even as there shall be false teachers among you, who
> > privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying
> > the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves
> > swift destruction. And many shall follow their perni-
> > cious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall
> > be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they
> > with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judg-
> > ment now of a long time lingereth not, and their dam-
> > nation slumbereth not. For if God spared not the angels
> > that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell and delivered
> > [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto
> > judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah
> > the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, brin-
> > ging in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And
> > turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes
> > condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an
> > ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And
> > delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation
> > of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among
> > them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul
> > from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds;) The Lord
> > knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations,
> > and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to
> > be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh
> > in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Pre-
> > sumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid
> > to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are
> > greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation
> > against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute
> > beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the
> > things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish
> > in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of
> > unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot
> > in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting
> > themselves with their own deceivings while they feast
> > with you; Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot
> > cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they
> > have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
> > Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray,
> > following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved
> > the wages of unrighteousness; But was rebuked for his ini-
> > quity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the
> > madness of the prophet. These are wells without water,
> > clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist
> > of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak
> > great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through
> > the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those
> > that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
> > While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the
> > servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome,
> > of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they
> > have escaped the pollutions of the world through the
> > knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are
> > again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is
> > worse with them than the beginning. For it had been bet-
> > ter for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
> > than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy
> > commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto
> > them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned
> > to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to
> > her wallowing in the mire." --2 Peter 1:20-2:22 AV
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> >
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