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## Re: Ballistic Theory and the Sagnac Experiment

 Subject: Re: Ballistic Theory and the Sagnac Experiment "George Dishman" Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:14:31 +0100 sci.astro, sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
 ```"Henri Wilson" wrote in message news:t64b425cbugm4q1k40t4luaqgk9khfavms@xxxxxxxxxx > On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:52:12 +0100, "George Dishman" > > wrote: >>You already accepted some time ago that stars can >>have intrisic variations. The maths in your program >>is wrong. Correct the maths, your program will then >>accurately predict the amount of intensity change >>due to ballistic theory and then you can subtract >>that from the observations to get the intrinsic >>variablity. That would be good science. > > You can't fool me George. > Why don't you just accept your model is wrong. The model I'm using is ballistic theory, I am happy to accept ballistic theory is wrong. > Your maths don't apply to the BaTh. My maths IS ballistic theory. > In this instance, the pulse rate is the carrier. > Your equations apply to IT Then we can agree and proceed. > My program solve your equations iteratively. Your program provides the correct result for the velocity curve based on the PRF as the green line, not the red. >>>>> This pulsar is way beyond its critical distance. >>>> >>>>Right, but the frequency modulation of the 339Hz pulse >>>>train is a single pure sine wave of amplitude 31.2mHz. >>>>You have said yourself, we don't see multiple images >>>>so this tells you that your speed extinction occurs >>>>over a very short distance. >>> >>> Not necessarily. We may be seeig the results of a great many multiple >>> images. >> >>No, we know we are seeing ONE image. There is a single >>sine wave in the FM. If we were seeing multiple images >>there would be beats in the pulse rate between the >>pulse repetition frequencies (standard acronym: PRF) >>emitted at different parts of the orbit. A Fourier >>transform of pulses would give the red curve shown >>here for enough overlap to produce a triple image >>during part of the orbit: >> >> http://www.georgedishman.f2s.com/Henri/Ritz_Doppler_3.png >> >>and the PRF spectrum would alternate between one line >>and three. That would be slightly beyond critical >>distance. For multiple images, you get more lines >>until with the several hundred that J1909-3744 should >>produce they would become a band spectrum with a sharp >>low frequency cutoff. Reverse transforming that would >>give pink noise, a totally random pulse pattern with >>no discernible timing other than a maximum gap between >>pulses. What is seen is one line at 31.2mHz and a >>second harmonic which if my way of estimating from the >>eccentricity is right would be around 7nHz. This is how >>the PRF varies over the orbit: >> >> http://www.georgedishman.f2s.com/Henri/PRF_J1909-3744.png >> >>We are only seeing one image. >> >>> In that case, the predicted brightness curve is quite small and has a >>> rapid >>> rise and something like an exponential drop off. ...that is without any >>> speed >>> unification. >> >>Now try it for a single image with unification. >> >>>>> My latest program (again >>>>> upgraded) shows the predicted shape of pulses caused by multiple >>>>> imagery. >>>>> (Just >>>>> use orbits > 50). >>>> >>>>Single image Henry. >>> >>> single star >> >>Single image. >> >>>>>>Hint: start at 0.00003c, reduce in small steps and >>>>>>note the trend. Extrapolate the result and try it. >>>>>>Rounding errors are a problem for example try >>>>>>0.00000183c to 0.00000187c in steps of 0.00000001c. >>>>> >>>>> I'll leave that to you george. >>>> >>>>I did, that's why I know your program fails at those >>>>levels. I'll leave it to you to fix it. >>> >>> You are using a different theory altogether. >> >>The program is broken regardless. Try the numbers >>then debug. >> >>>>>>Well the light from the pulsar system arrives at c >>>>>>measured over a 2AU baseline so you have that to >>>>>>explain as well. Let's see your maths. >>>>> >>>>> Whoever measured that speed to be c George. >>>> >>>>It's that same pulsar again Henry, 74ns residuals in the >>>>pulse sequence from J1909-3744. >>> >>> .....Yes George....but whoever directly measured its light speed George? >> >>That IS a measure of its speed Henry. >> >>>>> It should be c wrt the Earth once it gets into the Erth's atmosphere >>>>> but >>>>> tat >>>>> doesn't mean it travels at c for the rest of its journey. >>>> >>>>No, it means it travels at that speed for the 2AU >>>>difference across the Solar system as it approaches >>>>Earth. >>> >>> I would like to see the proof of that. >> >>Do some studying Henry, find out how Roemer measured >>the speed of light. > > Read his answer George. > > Funny how nobody repeats the experiment now that the diameter of the Earth > is > known very accurately.... Funny how you agree the what ballistic theory says about the PRF of our pulsar but you refuse to discuss the subject, preferring to bleat on about a load of philosophical nonsense. George ```
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