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Re: Ballistic Theory and the Sagnac Experiment

Subject: Re: Ballistic Theory and the Sagnac Experiment
From: Henri Wilson
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:23:18 GMT
Newsgroups: sci.astro, sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:28:08 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Henri Wilson wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:42:29 +0100, "Paul B. Andersen"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>There is but one definition of the centrifugal and Coriolis
>>>pseudo forces in _mechanics_. You can look it up in any text book.
>>>Or you can read my posting.
>>>But OK, let me repeat it.
>>>In a frame rotating with the angular velocity w (a vector)
>>>we have the following pseudo forces acting on a body with mass m
>>>which is moving with the velocity u (a vector) in the rotating frame:
>>>The centrifugal force:
>>>  F = m* (w X (w X r))  where r is the radius vector.
>>>  The magnitude of this force will be m*w^2*|r|, and
>>>  its direction will always be radially outwards.
>>>  Expressed with the speed v = |w|*|r| : F = m*v^2/|r|
>> Paul, that is centripetal force. (you omitted the minus sign somewhere)
>> In the rotating frame, w = 0.
>I am obviously talking to an idiot.

w is the rotation of the R frame in the nonR frame as measured in the NonR

The R frame has no rotation in itself.

>> You obviously don't understand the basics.
>You reveal an astonishing ignorance of elementary
>Newtonian mechanics, and say that I don't understand the basics.
>How pathetic.
>This is obviously futile, you will never learn the basics anyway.

I am trying to teach YOU the basics but you are too thick....

>>>  Note that the centrifugal force does NOT depend on
>>>  the velocity u in the rotating frame.
>> The imaginary Centrifugal force has the same value as the centripetal force 
>> in
>> the non-rotating frame.  It's an 'instantaneous' thing.
>>>The Coriolis force:
>>>  F = 2*m*(w X u)
>>>  Note that the direction of this force always is
>>>  in the plane of rotation, and is perpendicular to
>>>  the velocity u. When u is tangential as in our case,
>>>  the direction will be radial.
>> But in the case of a rotating sphere, such as Earth, it is NOT always in that
>> plane.
>> You calculation applies to the force due to change in angular momentum in the
>> NonR frame. 
>> Coriolis is the imaginary equivalent in the R frame (where w is again zero).
>>>This NG is a sci group.
>>>When you discuss in this group, you better use the normal
>>>accepted definitions of centrifugal and Coriolis,
>>>don't invent your own.
>> Paul, in the R frame, w = 0. Do you disagree with that.
>You are an idiot!
>"In a frame rotating with the angular velocity w (a vector).."

....w as measured in the NonR frame, the angular velocity is zero (in ITSELF,
the R frame).


Yes you will never learn

Coriolis and centrifugal forces are both imaginary and exist only in rotating



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