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Re: Ballistic Theory and the Sagnac Experiment

Subject: Re: Ballistic Theory and the Sagnac Experiment
From: ""
Date: 29 Mar 2006 19:58:22 -0800
Newsgroups: sci.astro, sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Henri Wilson wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2006 19:55:53 -0800, "jgreenfield@xxxxxxxxxxx" <jgreen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Henri Wilson wrote:
> >> On 27 Mar 2006 18:58:04 -0800, "jgreenfield@xxxxxxxxxxx" 
> >> <jgreen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Henri Wilson wrote:
> >> >> On 26 Mar 2006 23:58:04 -0800, "George Dishman" 
> >> >> <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Henri Wilson wrote:
> >> >> >...
> >> >> >> Wilson does not agree with Einstein.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Wilson agrees with Ritz..... who effectively said that in any one 
> >> >> >> frame, TWLS =
> >> >> >> OWLS = c.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Careful Henry, not "in any one frame", only "in the rest
> >> >> >frame of the source" and only if the other equipment
> >> >> >is also at rest. Bounce the light off a moving mirror for
> >> >> >example and the reflected one-way speed will probably
> >> >> >be affected but with those qualifications you are right.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have made it quite clear before that by 'any one frame' I mean 
> >> >> everything in
> >> >> the experiment is in the one frame. That naturally implies source, 
> >> >> mirror and
> >> >> detector are mutually at rest.
> >> >>
> >> >> Even Androcles should be able to understand that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Incidentally, this is only true in flat gravity. If for instance the 
> >> >> experiment
> >> >> were carries out vertically, average OWLS would still equals average 
> >> >> TWLS but
> >> >> would have a value less than the constant c.
> >> >>
> >> >> The 'hushed-up' Venus radar experiment verified this.
> >> >
> >> >Wasn't to do with gravity H.
> >>
> >> Not so fast Jim.
> >>
> >> >The earth's spin added / subtracted to the signal time of travel
> >> >(less time with radar approaching venus, and opposite.
> >>
> >> Well, this is interesting Jim. What are you assuming to be the speed of the
> >> reflected beam?
> >> Is it c wrt Venus... or does the planet behave like a mirror and reflect 
> >> the
> >> beam at double the incident speed to (c + 2v) wrt Earth, where v is Venus's
> >> speed towards earth?
> >>
> >> Gravity could make a considerable difference. Light slows while escaping 
> >> Earth
> >> then speeds up as it approaches Venus. It does the opposite on the return 
> >> trip.
> >> If the travel times for each leg are significantly different - and they 
> >> could
> >> be - then so might be the effect due to gravity. I doubt if this would be
> >> anything like 500 kms though.
> >>
> >> >Simultaneous measurements of distance to venus varied by (500kms?)
> >> >placing the planet at two locations at once
> >>
> >> >http://surf.de.uu.net/bookland/sci/farce/farce_6
> >>
> >> That wont open. Check the address, please Jim.
> >
> >Sorry: My ballsup
> >http://surf.de.uu.net/bbokland/sci/farce/farce_6.html
>
> No it still wont open.
> They mustn't like me.

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