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Martin 53N 1W wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Martin 53N 1W wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Martin 53N 1W wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
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Change is usually good and should be encouraged to avoid stagnation.
The problem is with *fast* *extreme* *change* that is beyond what
evolution can naturally cope with. We are inducing such unnaturally
fast change.
But I remind you, we are still waiting for greenhouse.
The oceans have already measurably risen, and glaciers worldwide have
already measurably contracted. This is happening now far more quickly
than can be expected for any 'natural' cycle. Look up the real measured
numbers, they are very significant.
Last I heard the "measurable" rise has been a debatable 1 cm.
You might not suffer any greater frequency of hurricanes over there
in Florida. However, the ones you get will quickly get ever more vicious
[...]
I don't see that prediction at all. Work is done by temperature
difference. If everything is warmer the temperature difference as a
fraction of difference from absolute zero is negligible. As for getting
[...]
As was explained in a long thread previously, your 'absolute
temperature' reference is only valid for considering the heat balance
for what radiation the Earth receives compared to what is re-radiated
into space. And then you must also consider what greenhouse effects and
dimming effects are taking place.
The explanation was bullshit. All work, all temperature differences have to be measured from
absolute zero. That is the way it is defined and calculated in physics. Thermal work can only be
from absolute zero.
Our weather systems are driven predominantly in relation to the
temperature difference from the freezing point of water. Life also has a
narrow temperature range.
And the predictions are that the equator will warm the least and the arctic the most reducing the
temperature difference.
Sorry, your argument for percentage change from absolute zero being
small and so somehow negligible is just obfuscation.
As a physicist who passed the course I know what I am talking about.
And you?
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But in the last 20 years of imminent doom we are still waiting for
greenhouse. So far as the evidence goes it appears to be a crackpot
idea. So far it is indistinguishable from Chicken Little. That is a
fact. I can't change the facts.
So what would you want to see to convince you?
Where is your 'proof' that nothing is happening?
As everyone knows proving a negative is impossible and those who make the positive assertion bear
the burden of presenting their evidence. As the believers have no evidence their attempt to demand
"proof" their unfounded assertions are false is transparent nonsense. And in fact you are misusing
the word proof.
... People produce about a liter of it per breath and you can do the
multiplication. People are a trivial fraction of the animal biomass on
the planet.
And the people also have machines that convert fossil fuel to liberate
CO2 on a vast industrial scale!
120,000,000,000 liters of CO2 per minute just for humans. 7.2 trillion liters per hour. And that is
a negligable amount for the animal biomass.
I guess you must have been one of those that played the game of chicken
with oncoming traffic. Unfortunately, this climate stuff is one thing
you can't dodge...
Keep in mind this discussion only got started because I said the way to avoid even the dire
predictions which I consider mostly nonsense was to convert to nuclear power. Why does this have to
go into you defending what I consider nonsense when I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt
and get rid of fossil fuel consumption?
I would expect believers in the disasters and loss of life of warming to weigh their fears against
the trivial risk from nuclear power. They do not do that. Their attitude is against energy
consumption for its own sake which is the irrational greenie position.
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