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FDT wrote:
> some of your observations are right on the money - some of your
> claims are nonsense, but thats what life is all about.
>
>
I claim nothing and neither did the great astronomers,this 'claiming'
business is a recent development and it has almost destroyed what was
once a noble astronomical tradition.
Looking at the correspondence between the early heliocentric
astronomers is a wonderful experience for they finally had found a
productive way to 'save appearances' by splitting the Earth's motions
into axial and orbital motions.
In this forum,men cannot even appreciate how the heliocentric
astronomers adapted the pre-existing system which creates the equable
24 hour day and overlayed it on to the newly discovered principle that
the Earth has an axial rotation independent of orbital motion.They
recognise only the celestial sphere system which justifies the motions
of the Earth as a single 'sidereal' motion by using the return of a
star to a location -
http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy/introduction/02.motion_stars_sun/celestial_sphere_anim.gif
As a Christian who lives by intuitive intelligence (which others call
faith),I well understand that it is not knowledge which is the center
of our existence but something more wonderful and more encompassing.As
much as possible,I do not bring the great cycles down to my level but
allow the great cycles to unfold with greater familiarity and greater
appreciation.I see so many here treat the celestial arena like a
carousel and imagine that an exercise in magnification qualifies a
person as an astronomer but that is a terrible disservice to the great
men who left the heliocentric and great timekeeping systems without the
aid of telescopes or clocks.
A few weeks ago,every single person here had a chance to promote the
rare astronomical event of Mercury overtaking the slower moving Earth
with the central star as the common point for our orbital motions but
they chose only the peep show of 'Mercury crosses the face of the Sun'
-
http://www.vt-2004.org/mt-2003/mt-2003-soho1999-normal.jpg
Astronomy is a sleeping giant and those who enter into that great
celestial arena will be repaid a thousand times the small effort it
takes to break through the hideous veneer that surrounds it through
some really awful manipulations that reveal nothing and conceal a
celestial sphere core .
I do not need judgements and do not really care to pass them
either,what is required is an effort to bring to the surface,using
contemporary imaging,the great insights that stretch back to remote
antiquity.
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> oriel36 wrote:
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> > Imran<getsmart77@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > I would like to say to all viewer or reader of either concern or not
> > > that the Science and
> > > Astro are different subjects. An Astro works on to view the stars on
> > > space with or without
> > > instruments (that I knew and read almost about them) while the
> > > Scinetiest does not
> > > forecast without experiments. Am I right or wrong plz do reply once.
> > >
> > > Hence I therefore, need your help and request you to plz let me know
> > > about an Astro
> > > that how he reads the stars and also what is different between Astro
> > > and Amateur.
> > >
> > > I do hope that you must help me in the matter.
> > >
> > > Thanks n rgds.
> > > Imran.
> >
> > Everyone from little children to older folk are astronomers by virtue
> > of living by the great celestial cycles,which along with the Sun,make
> > life possible.
> >
> > Our ancestors were astronomers by creating the great timekeeping
> > systems such as the equable 24 hour day and the calendar system,others
> > kept careful observations of the planets by noting their motion against
> > the stellar background.
> >
> > The emergence of the scale of the solar system and the motions of the
> > Earth that condition our lives,such as the daily cycle and the seasonal
> > cycles,arrived with Copernicus who set the Earth in motion by usiong
> > axial rotation to explain the daily cycle and orbital motion for the
> > seasonal cycle.
> >
> > We are all astronomers when we look out and try to develop our natural
> > intuitive intelligence through which the astronomical experience is
> > felt.The hazy outlines of a great journey become visible with those
> > flashes of recognition which arrive to those who are prepared to let
> > the motions dictate how far and how much depth, in their own time and
> > in their own way
> >
> > To breathe the air of an astronomer is to move easily from the daily
> > experiences which are based on dawn ,noon dusk and dark to the great
> > astronomical insights based on our planetary motions to our parent star
> > for we can visit the technical perceptions of heliocentricity but
> > cannot stay for long.We are creatures of creativity by nature and
> > admire the great cycles where natural things blossom fade and blossom
> > again.
> >
> > oNly the celestial sphere geometer and his narrow magnification
> > concerns or the drones that follow after concepts built on a celestial
> > sphere peep show make astronomy a dull and dismal affair,more for
> > self-congratulation and opinions than anything else.
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