> "oriel36" <geraldkelleher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > OG wrote:
> >> "oriel36" <geraldkelleher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:1160992371.159088.132280@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >
> >> > OG wrote:
> >> >> Oh don't be so bloody pompous .
> >> >> Yes, it is possible _in theory_ to determine the orbital motion from
> >> >> the
> >> >> observed movement of the planets (and it took the determination and
> >> >> genius
> >> >> of Kepler to perform the task for Mars and Earth on the basis of
> >> >> Tycho's
> >> >> measurements. It also took the best part of his professional life to
> >> >> come
> >> >> up
> >> >> with a handful of 'rules of thumb' regarding orbital motion) .
> >> >> The trouble with wishing to do it _in theory_ is that until Newton
> >> >> there
> >> >> was
> >> >> no _theory_.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Who gives a damn about 'theories' or how you choose to judge Copernicus
> >> > or Kepler,the Newtonian view of retrogrades and how they are resolved
> >> > is incorrect,damaging and are not supported by the careful work of the
> >> > heliocentric astronomers and more importantly,by contemporary imaging
> >> > of plotted positions and time lapse motion .
> >> >
> >> Once more you resort to bluff and bluster to hide the fact that you
> >> cannot
> >> justify your assertion that Newton's method is incorrect. If you can't
> >> support your argument you should accept it and shut up.
> > Along with Kepler ,Galileo and the other early heliocentric
> > astronomers,I can afiirm the Copernican reasoning that planetary
> > motions are seen directly from an orbitally moving Earth.
> I'm sure Copenicus thanks you for supporting him - it's been touch and go
> for the last 450+ years.
The dominant Newtonian mutation to Copernican reasoning has
unfortunately existed for 300 years.That incorrect and damaging
mutation based on an incorrect statement regarding retorgrades and how
they are resolved can be simply wiped away with contemporary imaging ,
time lapse footage and the original texts of Copernicus,Kepler and
Your worthless Newtonian statements based on seeing retrogrades from
the Earth and jumping to the Sun to resolve appearances or that
planetary motions are only seen directly from the Sun lacks
imagination,style and content.
Turn your faces to the ground rather than look out on the great
astronomical cycles which make existence possible as befitting the dull
and the dour.I can look forward to seeing how the restored working
principles based on the Earth's motions generate productive avenues in
geology,climatology and many other areas while you circle your wagons
around a dead Newton and his ridiculous error.I would not wish that
fate on anyone but then again my concern is for future generations and
not those who have already lost their individuality and their intuitive
I do not insult you,you insult yourselves.