"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
> On 8 Nov 2005 15:57:26 -0800, markwh04@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >Reading the description provided in Plato's dialogues Critias and
> >Timaeus, one is struck by several items that (in light of present-day
> >knowledge) stand out quite prominently. First, there is a reference
> >made in the dialogue, through the quoted words of the XX Dynasty
> >Egyptian priest in Sais of there having been a Dark Age in Greece
> >during which prior to its then-present era of literacy, and prior to
> >which an older literate Greek civilization existed that had Athens as
> >one of its main cities.
> >This, of course, is Mycenaean Greece.
> >Setting aside the confusion about dates, the priests (through Plato) go
> >on to describe a former battle which took place against a confederation
> >of 10 kingdoms (that is, Atlantis) whose followership ranged throughout
> >the Mediterranean from Tyrrhenia to Northern Africa. This confederation
> >fought Egypt, and also against Athens, the latter held out and
> >(according to the Athenian Solon, Plato established as first relating
> >the Pharaoh's account) saved the day. Then, shortly afterwards a
> >disaster struck which brought down everyone involved, thus plunging the
> >Greeks into their Dark Age of illiteracy.
> >Here's where it gets interesting: there was in fact a confederation of
> >maritime peoples around the 1230-1180 period which did, in fact, assail
> >Egypt -- placing it in an era of turmoil -- brought down the Hittite
> >Empire and (most likely) also fought alongside the Dorians who were the
> >agents of the demise of Mycenaean Greece. The author of "World
> >Encyclopedia of History" (Landsman) also notes that Van, which suddenly
> >arrived on the scene around this time, also had temples strikingly
> >similar to those of the Dorians, suggesting that they were both part of
> >a common group.
> >These peoples (going by Egyptian accounts) ranged from Sardinia,
> >possibly Sicily, Tyrrhenia, Northern Africa, the Aegean (the Dorians,
> >themselves?), and so on -- pretty much as the confederation described
> >in the Atlantis story did.
> >And, like in the story: Athens held out, remaining uninvaded. But not
> >too long afterwards, Greece fell into the Dark Age, losing their Linear
> >B script; and it seems as if all the Mediterranean civilizations (and
> >even those in the neighboring region of the Fertile Crescent) have this
> >same natural dividing point in the vicinity of 1250-1150 in which
> >everything that existed before descended into obscurity or chaos, and
> >everything that came after originated from obscurity around this time
> >or afterwards.
> >There are, in fact, a lot of different theories advanced on possible
> >*locations* of Atlantis (Santorini, Tantalus, Cyprus, Crete, off the
> >coast of Spain, etc.), and possible *times* (during the 1400's with
> >Thera being the culprit, the 1200's, with the war actually being an
> >Egyptian re-telling of the Trojan war or a heretofore unknown extension
> >of that war; etc.); but few that actually seek to *identify* the
> >confederation described therein with an actual maritime confederaiton.
> >This gets to the question: could the story of Atlantis actually be the
> >Egyptian account, retold through 6 generations of Greeks, of the times
> >of turmoil surrounding the incursions by the Sea People? And could the
> >confederation, itself, be one and the same as the confederation that
> >comprised these peoples?
> >Never mind *where* Atlantis was located. The real question posed here
> >is *who* were they?
> >And, of course, it's not really being posed as a question, but rather
> >is being raised as a hypothesis. And it points the question to another
> >So, now, who were the Sea People?
> >The suggestion made here would tie the war involving Atlantis to the
> >general turmoil of the times and would fall square in the came of those
> >who identify this war as being part of a larger war that contained the
> >Trojan War, and Atlantis possibly with Troy, itself,.or otherwise a
> >larger dominion that contained Troy as one of its cheif cities.
> Jurgen Spanuth published a hypothesis which linked all this with the
> collapse of a culture based in the Frisian islands with the capital on
> the ancient island of Helgoland (only a tiny fraction of which now
And then we are back in the North Sea region.
Can there be any artifacts supporting this?
That some of the megalit-builders behind several of the megalits around the
North Sea region not only seems to have had some influence/diffusion from
the Mediterranian area, might very well as some pointed to be correct.
What if we looked more closely at pollenanalyses from sites close to the
megalits? Could something be gained that way? Or how should we procide?
> Eric Stevens