"IE_Johansson" <ingere.johansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> One of the most disputed Norse(?) artifacts is the stone called Thorvald's
> grave. If it's true that: "The first allusion to the rock seems to have
> an entry in the diary of one Effie Taylor in 1670";
> then it's more likely that it might be of much earlier date than 1670.
> like me who knows(some only believe) that Vinland told about from the
> earliest note by Adam of Bremen and on included not only Newfoundland but
> all land from southwestern corner of Hudson Bay down via Mississippi to
> Mexican Gulf, aren't surprised if it was in Hampton - New Hampshire area
> that the Saga, written several hundred years after the event, Thorvald was
> killed and put in grave.
> Adam of Bremen was writing about Vinland in 1070's from testamony given
> King Svein Estridson who himself had been there twice.(inf. for the later
> voyage of his can be found in Historia Norvegiae).
Not in my copy of Historia Norvegiae. Can you give an exact reference,
Inger? Or are you referring to footnote 10 on page 48 of Storm's edition? If
so, that passage is from Ágrip, not Historia Norvegiae. And it obviously
refers to Svein's flight to Wendland to gather trops for his was with
Magnus, as you probably know.
> Details of the first
> voyage can be found in documents dealing with King Svein's upbringing and
> youth at the Swedish King Anund's court.
References would be invaluable here. Without them the claim is worthless.
> No Swedish or Scandinavian
> documents btw, there are annal notes from elsewhere which I am working
> thus I will not give more than a hint where to look for the first voyage.
> Anyhow while I do have full proof for Scandinavians, Swedes, Danes, Finns
> but few Norwegians arriving to and settling from 1435(!) up to 1600 in
> like Virginia(the oldest map with 'Virginia' written on predates Queen
> Elizabeth I:s reign, edited during the period when King Gustav Vasa's son
> Erik negotiated to have Elizabeth at that time her sister's prisoner for
> bride); Maryland and Delaware up to Washington DC and along coast up to
> Hudson river,
> I haven't seen anything indicating that Swedes had settled in Hampton
> New Hampshire in 16th century. If someone has information about that, of
> course that would cause questions about the stone but wouldn't be a proof
> any kind.
> No matter which. The page is interesting.
> Inger E