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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:19:02 GMT, in sci.archaeology, IE_Johansson wrote:
>Doug,
>you can check all claims in the article if you know how to look around for
>information on net or if you start with the works being edited in the
>Kensington Runestone debate over the years. But of course you need to spend
>a week or two reading all the works, where btw good ref. is given to every
>single detail only that you have to read not one not two but at least 20 of
>the edited works.
>
Ok, you didn't understand what I wrote, I'll rephrase. A source where you
have to exhaustively search the net, read everything written on the
subject, whatever, is useless and bad -- I expect a claim for, for
instance, a firesteel, to be accompanied by a reference to somewhere that
verifies this claim. Articles like the ones you cite which give no
references are useless as sources so far as I'm concerned.
Doug
>Inger E
>"Doug Weller" <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
>news:94ten1l9els3qs1ej1ns3c4p7j5oqqjsik@xxxxxxxxxx
>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:26:48 GMT, in sci.archaeology, IE_Johansson wrote:
>>
>> >Doug,
>> >NO! No souce are useless. No matter who present facts, assumptions valid
>or
>> >invalid, useless they are not!
>> >It's up to the reader to validate the content of a text with an open mind
>> >and not reading information as if it must be wrong/false because it's not
>> >written by 'correct' political viewed scholars!
>>
>> Any source is useless if you can't check its claims -- as is the case with
>> the Barnes site. And it's obscene.
>>
>> Doug
>> >
>> >Inger E
>> >
>> >"Doug Weller" <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
>> >news:8scen117o5k3lbeutb9r37v2kfvs9enn90@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:48:14 -0000, in sci.archaeology, Dylan Sung
>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"IE_Johansson" <ingere.johansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> >news:Jftdf.38013$d5.194721@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> "Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
>> >> >> news:BF9C0806.18FB9%NuffSpam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >>> On 12/11/05 20:15, in article
>> >rricn1dvsrnvsgc0i11lqemrjqai00cuh2@xxxxxxx,
>> >> >>> "Doug Weller" <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:18:47 GMT, in sci.archaeology,
>IE_Johansson
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> > [SNIP]
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> "The waterway also contains possible signs of Viking presence.
>At
>> >> >> Cormorant
>> >> >>> >> Lake in Becker County, Minnesota there are three boulders with
>> >> >> triangular
>> >> >>> >> holes similar to those used for mooring boats along the coast of
>> >> >>> >> Norway
>> >> >> in
>> >> >>> >> the 14th century. Holand found other triangular holes in rocks
>near
>> >> >> where
>> >> >>> >> the stone was found. A 14th century Scandinavian firesteel was
>> >found
>> >> >> between
>> >> >>> >> the Cormorant Lake and Kensington, where the Runestone was
>found."
>> >> >>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_runestone
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > And the next sentences are:
>> >> >>> > "Other Viking artifacts dating from the 14th century have turned
>up
>> >in
>> >> >>> > Minnesota but apparently none were recovered under controlled
>> >> >>> > archaeological conditions and it has been impossible to eliminate
>> >the
>> >> >>> > possibility they were brought by Europeans centuries later.
>> >Similarly,
>> >> >> the
>> >> >>> > dating of any Viking-like mooring holes cut into rocks in the
>region
>> >> >>> > has
>> >> >>> > been elusive."
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Can anyone provide any details about the alleged Minnesota
>> >firesteel?
>> >> >>> > Inger has written that it was "The fishing hooks and firesteel
>> >> >>> > found close to the Twin Cities in a cave during excavation in
>'cor'
>> >> >>> > distance from the findingplace of KRS are only a few of a hugh
>> >amount
>> >> >>> > of
>> >> >>> > supressed artifacts in Minnesota alone. "
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > But I cannot find any useful reference to this alleged firesteel.
>I
>> >> >> can't
>> >> >>> > find the source of it, anything about the archaeologists she says
>> >> >>> > looked
>> >> >>> > at it, nada. Can anyone else help please?
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Thanks
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Doug
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I can't help but I'll give you some advice.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Ignore everything Inger writes.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> But if you must engage with her, take the complete opposite stance
>to
>> >> >>> what
>> >> >>> she takes and you'll likely be right on the button.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Michael W Cook,
>> >> >> Below you once again proven that your only goal is to offend me.
>What
>> >have
>> >> >> you written that's contradicted by my articles to the
>discussiongroups?
>> >> >> Why do you mind if and when what I write one by one is proven
>true????
>> >> >>
>> >> >> you are not only abusive - you are also telling lies once again. I
>am
>> >not
>> >> >> the one who presented the firesteel found in Minnesota.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Had you been a serious scholar of archaeology or history, you would
>> >have
>> >> >> been able to find the firesteel mentioned in url:s like
>> >> >> http://kensingtonmn.com/runestonepg.html
>> >> >> "These instruments include a firesteel for making fires; a
>ceremonial
>> >> >> halbred signifying a royal expedition; a heavy battle axe with a 16
>> >inch
>> >> >> cutting edge; a light battle axe, used for fighting men in armoured
>> >suits;
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> spear head; a Nordic sword, and other relics which include mooring
>> >stone
>> >> >> pins. "
>> >> >>
>> >> >> or in following url:s (quotes first, url after)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Furthermore, a Scandinavian firesteel was found in the vicinity of
>the
>> >> >> route
>> >> >> the party must have taken to reach Kensington, Minn., the place
>where a
>> >> >> simple Scandinavian country farmer uncovered one of the greatest
>> >mysteries
>> >> >> of North America
>> >> >> http://www.barnesreview.org/TBR_Conference_Report_2002.pdf.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> not to mention:
>> >> >> " Other artifacts?
>> >> >> The waterway also contains possible signs of Viking presence. At
>> >Cormorant
>> >> >> Lake in Becker County, Minnesota there are three boulders with
>> >triangular
>> >> >> holes similar to those used for mooring boats along the coast of
>Norway
>> >in
>> >> >> the 14th century. Holand found other triangular holes in rocks near
>> >where
>> >> >> the stone was found. A 14th century Scandinavian firesteel was found
>> >> >> between
>> >> >> the Cormorant Lake and Kensington, where the Runestone was found."
>> >> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_runestone>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But that's not all. You could have had a photo of the firesteel, and
>> >other
>> >> >> scandinavian firesteels found via the Kensington Runestone Museum.
>The
>> >one
>> >> >> from Aaland you could have found on a photo looking around in
>> >Scandinavian
>> >> >> History Museum's photo archieves over artifacts found and
>registered.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You didn't. You decided to pick on me instead of trying to read what
>> >you
>> >> >> needed and look at what you needed in order to come up with a valid
>> >> >> conclusion.
>> >> >> It's a pitty that you aren't a serious scholar.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Inger E
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Do true scholars really resort to these types of source?
>> >> >
>> >> Those sources are useless. Nothing scholarly about them at all, and one
>of
>> >> them is IMHO obscene.
>> >>
>> >> Doug
>> >> --
>> >> Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
>> >> Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
>> >> A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
>> >> Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> --
>> Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
>> Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
>> A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
>> Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
>>
>>
>
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Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
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