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IE_Johansson wrote:
Doug,
you doesn't understand what I am saying at all.
I don't care if source A is written by my worst enemy if it contains what
source B to Z together tells,
provided that I checked the ref given in source B to Z(which I have) and I
also checked in other sources available, such as in this case excavation
report from a place closer to the Lake mentioned.
If you as a scholar ONLY should refer to sources which from a political
point of view is correct given your own view, then you aren't much of a
scholar showing off as one who can't place yourself above that and read,
validate the text instead of the writer's mind no matter how much one
distaste and in some cases hate the writer that's important to be able to
see the work and not the man!
Inger E
Even if this had been published in an impeccable scholarly
journal, it would still have been a crap reference *for what it
was intended to support*. The question was regarding the
provenance of the 'Minnesota firesteel.'
It didn't answer Doug's question. It was throwing a whole bunch
of crap at the wall, hoping some would stick and make us forget
what we were talking about. Seems to have worked.
There appears to be no useful provenance for the 'Minnesota
firesteel'; and a great deal of evidence that fire steels similar
in morphology to the 'Minnesota firesteel' were dead common
between Roman times and American frontier days (see a previous
post of mine). Unless there is some new evidence, or unless Inger
is hiding the evidence that confirms her view, Ockham's Razor
suggests that the item is most likely to be post-Columbian.
"Doug Weller" <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:19:02 GMT, in sci.archaeology, IE_Johansson wrote:
Doug,
you can check all claims in the article if you know how to look around
for
information on net or if you start with the works being edited in the
Kensington Runestone debate over the years. But of course you need to
spend
a week or two reading all the works, where btw good ref. is given to
every
single detail only that you have to read not one not two but at least 20
of
the edited works.
Ok, you didn't understand what I wrote, I'll rephrase. A source where you
have to exhaustively search the net, read everything written on the
subject, whatever, is useless and bad -- I expect a claim for, for
instance, a firesteel, to be accompanied by a reference to somewhere that
verifies this claim. Articles like the ones you cite which give no
references are useless as sources so far as I'm concerned.
Doug
Inger E
"Doug Weller" <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:26:48 GMT, in sci.archaeology, IE_Johansson
wrote:
Doug,
NO! No souce are useless. No matter who present facts, assumptions
valid
or
invalid, useless they are not!
It's up to the reader to validate the content of a text with an open
mind
and not reading information as if it must be wrong/false because it's
not
written by 'correct' political viewed scholars!
Any source is useless if you can't check its claims -- as is the case
with
the Barnes site. And it's obscene.
Doug
Inger E
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On 12/11/05 20:15, in article
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"Doug Weller" <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:18:47 GMT, in sci.archaeology,
IE_Johansson
wrote:
[SNIP]
"The waterway also contains possible signs of Viking
presence.
At
Cormorant
Lake in Becker County, Minnesota there are three boulders
with
triangular
holes similar to those used for mooring boats along the coast
of
Norway
in
the 14th century. Holand found other triangular holes in
rocks
near
where
the stone was found. A 14th century Scandinavian firesteel
was
found
between
the Cormorant Lake and Kensington, where the Runestone was
found."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_runestone
And the next sentences are:
"Other Viking artifacts dating from the 14th century have
turned
up
in
Minnesota but apparently none were recovered under controlled
archaeological conditions and it has been impossible to
eliminate
the
possibility they were brought by Europeans centuries later.
Similarly,
the
dating of any Viking-like mooring holes cut into rocks in the
region
has
been elusive."
Can anyone provide any details about the alleged Minnesota
firesteel?
Inger has written that it was "The fishing hooks and firesteel
found close to the Twin Cities in a cave during excavation in
'cor'
distance from the findingplace of KRS are only a few of a hugh
amount
of
supressed artifacts in Minnesota alone. "
But I cannot find any useful reference to this alleged
firesteel.
I
can't
find the source of it, anything about the archaeologists she
says
looked
at it, nada. Can anyone else help please?
Thanks
Doug
I can't help but I'll give you some advice.
Ignore everything Inger writes.
But if you must engage with her, take the complete opposite
stance
to
what
she takes and you'll likely be right on the button.
Michael W Cook,
Below you once again proven that your only goal is to offend me.
What
have
you written that's contradicted by my articles to the
discussiongroups?
Why do you mind if and when what I write one by one is proven
true????
you are not only abusive - you are also telling lies once again.
I
am
not
the one who presented the firesteel found in Minnesota.
Had you been a serious scholar of archaeology or history, you
would
have
been able to find the firesteel mentioned in url:s like
http://kensingtonmn.com/runestonepg.html
"These instruments include a firesteel for making fires; a
ceremonial
halbred signifying a royal expedition; a heavy battle axe with a
16
inch
cutting edge; a light battle axe, used for fighting men in
armoured
suits;
a
spear head; a Nordic sword, and other relics which include
mooring
stone
pins. "
or in following url:s (quotes first, url after)
Furthermore, a Scandinavian firesteel was found in the vicinity
of
the
route
the party must have taken to reach Kensington, Minn., the place
where a
simple Scandinavian country farmer uncovered one of the greatest
mysteries
of North America
http://www.barnesreview.org/TBR_Conference_Report_2002.pdf.
not to mention:
" Other artifacts?
The waterway also contains possible signs of Viking presence. At
Cormorant
Lake in Becker County, Minnesota there are three boulders with
triangular
holes similar to those used for mooring boats along the coast of
Norway
in
the 14th century. Holand found other triangular holes in rocks
near
where
the stone was found. A 14th century Scandinavian firesteel was
found
between
the Cormorant Lake and Kensington, where the Runestone was
found."
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_runestone>
But that's not all. You could have had a photo of the firesteel,
and
other
scandinavian firesteels found via the Kensington Runestone
Museum.
The
one
from Aaland you could have found on a photo looking around in
Scandinavian
History Museum's photo archieves over artifacts found and
registered.
You didn't. You decided to pick on me instead of trying to read
what
you
needed and look at what you needed in order to come up with a
valid
conclusion.
It's a pitty that you aren't a serious scholar.
Inger E
Do true scholars really resort to these types of source?
Those sources are useless. Nothing scholarly about them at all, and
one
of
them is IMHO obscene.
Doug
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