"Philip Deitiker" <Donevenask@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> "deowll" <deowll@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> says in
>> "Philip Deitiker" <Donevenask@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> Doug Weller <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> says in
>>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:45:35 GMT, in sci.archaeology, "ie"
>>>> <I_e,johansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>"spiznet" <mark@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
>>>>>> More Complex Origins
>>>>>> Although the majority of Polynesian genes come from Taiwan,
>>>>>> via Canada, an ancient Indonesian/Caucasian gene, identified
>>>>>> as coming from Chile, has been found in Tahiti, especially
>>>>>> amongst the women.
>>>> This bit is again from http://users.on.net/~mkfenn/page5.htm -
>>>> I can't find the claim elsewhere. The same web page talks
>>>> about "the native Caucasians of America"! The author is Peter
>>>> Marsh. Ross Clark and others discussed this a while ago.
>>>> This firmly
>>>>>> identifies some Polynesians coming from South America (
>>>>>> Seven Daughters of Eve by Bryan Sykes).
>>>> "So by tracking differences in mitochondrial DNA between
>>>> living people, and comparing them to DNA extracted from
>>>> archaeological specimens, Sykes arrived at both his
>>>> seven-clans-of-Europe theory and at the mitochondrial Eve.
>>>> Along the way, he adds, he solved one of the great mysteries
>>>> of paleoanthropology, establishing genetically that
>>>> Polynesians migrated eastward from Southeast Asia rather than
>>>> westward from South America (and that, since they traveled
>>>> against the prevailing winds, they must be ranked among the
>>>> greatest mariners the world has ever known). "
>>>> Sykes does think that some Polynesians visited South America;
>>>> " "But they left no visible genetic trace in South America.
>>>> To my knowledge, not a single sample of Polynesian
>>>> mitochondrial DNA has ever been found there. However, I did
>>>> eventually find two mitochondrial sequences from Tahiti in
>>>> French Polynesia that matched published sequences from Chile."
>>> What are you trying to say, our native kook strikes again.
>> Don't get to hot under the collar. It might have gotten there
>> after 1492 or a balsa raft swept out to sea during a storm made
>> landfall. It isn't the end of the universe even if he didn't
>> mess up.
> There is no genetic evidence of Polynesians, _YET_ in the amerind
> population. What there is evidence of are kooks and scientist who
> don't know how to condition these types of results.
> Let me put it like this. Based on Paabos estimates 18,000 years,
> based on my estimates 34,000 years. What those number mean is that
> for HVR1 each mutation is worth that amount of time. If there is less
> amount of time between two populations, you expect to find some of
> the same haplotypes. Based on the archaeology of Japan, people showed
> up from the south about 35,000 years, some suggest 45,000 years ago,
> these same people eventually immigrated to the new world and are
> densely populated in parts of south america. So you expect to find
> some similarities or identities. If a person is using HVRII it can
> mean on average between 35,0000 and 65,000 years per mutation. and if
> one is using both then it goes down to about 12,000 to 24,000 years.
> The binomial probability distribution allows a confidence interval to
> about 60,000 years even more if you are using a earlier C/H MRCA. For
> this reason I don't use mtDNA and I recommend that anyone who wants
> to do studies of native american mtDNAs use genomic mtDNAs and not
> HVR1, 2, or 1 & 2. Similar mtDNAs are not evidence of anything if
> they are ambiguously applied to a problem.
Okay. My point is much simpler and doesn't require any math. Whaling
captains liked to "recruit" people that used harpoons and spears and they
weren't to picky about who they snatched to work on board when they couldn't
get volunteers. The island named was a popular stop over. The Spanish and
others were moving people around for forced labor and other reasons. Expect
somebody to find some out of place genes around the pacific rim and their
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