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"Yuri Kuchinsky" <yuku@xxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
news:42F233AF.D20F32EC@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Dylan Sung wrote:
> >
> > "ie" <I_e,johansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:cRlIe.30760$d5.183601@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > "Much less likely but still vexing, it could be a medieval stone
created
> > > by
> > > Vikings and later moved for some reason, or a serious but misgauged
> > > forgery
> > > that seemingly failed to earn money or have a political effect. Any
> > > discussion of it (such as suggesting the runestone's runes were used
by
> > > 19th
> > > century guilds, or that the knoll on which it was found may have been
a
> > > small island 600 years earlier) is fraught with opportunities for
> > > misinterpretation and speculation.
> > >
> > > By 2002, further analysis by Nielsen suggested the stone's linguistics
> > > were
> > > plausible for the 14th century.
> >
> > Note the word "suggested".
> >
> > > Evidence for all of the unusual word and
> > > rune forms has reportedly been found in medieval sources.
Historically, it
> > > appears there was an exploratory trip beyond Greenland in the year
> > > mentioned
> > > on the stone and so far, geochemical analysis suggests the stone was
> > > buried
> > > prior to the first arrival of Europeans in the region"
> >
> > And it ends in
> > 'In a joint statement for a 2004 exhibition of the stone at the Museum
of
> > National Antiquities in Stockholm, Nielsen and Henrik Williams, a
professor
> > of Scandinavian Languages at Upsala University and a proponent of the
> > forgery theory, noted there were linguistic discrepancies for both 14th
and
> > 19th century origins of the inscription and that the runestone "requires
> > further study before a secure conclusion can be reached."'
> >
> > >
> > > page was last modified 00:13, 28 July 2005. according to:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone
> > >
> > > for discussion around the text in Wikipedia look at:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kensington_Runestone
> > >
> > > Conclusion:
> > > During the last 5 years all 'possilities' presented by the naysayers
have
> > > fallen down or been reduced to more or less nothing to be held against
the
> > > runestone.
> > >
> > > Inger E
> >
> > If you're going to quote something, at least do it properly - it's the
only
> > scholarly thing to do. There are still some doubts remaining when the
joint
> > announcement by Nielson and Williams say "requires further study before
a
> > secure conclusion can be reached." So the thing is not all cut and dried
> > until they've produced the study. I don't know why you're jumping the
gun,
> > Inger. That's very unscholarly.
> >
> > Dyl.
>
> The problem is that no alternative theory -- making any sort
> of a sense -- has ever been suggested for who produced the
> KRS and when (if it wasn't produced in the 14th century).
> Although, to be sure, quite a few theories _have_ been
> suggested that didn't make any sense...
>
> Regards,
>
> Yuri.
Apart from that,
there are documented voyage travelling out from Bergen via Iceland(that's
been missed by the naysayers and others that Ivar Bardson's Icelandic
collegue who were given same mission to perform in Iceland's dioceses as
Ivar in Greenland's, not only travelled on the same ship as Ivar but arrived
in Iceland with it on the ships way to Greenland) and arrived in Greenland.
It's also confirmed in written contemporary documents that Ivar Bardson
voyage to the Western Settlement was to drive out the heathen there and
search for the inhabitants that he didn't find on his journey in 1342. It's
also documented that it was the lawman who gave him that special mission and
that it happened short after they had arrived in Greenland.
That Ivar Bardson and Paul Knutson sailed from Gardar respectively Red
Eric's Brathalid is also confirmed in documents as well as that Ivar Bardson
did deliver tithes from three(!) dioceses under Gardar. Among the delivered
tithes were more than one item which didn't origin in Greenland, Iceland or
Scandinavia and which only could have come from NA. Paul Knutson died within
a few year after returning home. Ivar Bardson lived to be old and his
inheritors had his will and other documents up in court 1400 AD.
There are other documentation for the journey as well, but the above
mentioned details I have presented with references piece by piece over the
last 5 years.
Inger E
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