On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:19:47 +1000, "Sean"
>"Wilbur Slice" <wilbur@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:16:59 +1000, "Sean"
>> <santimvah_notspam@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>< As for Jews, they are like any other ethnic minority ...some hold
>>>> prejudices, many do not.
>>>> Jews are far and away the least prejudiced people on earth. You rarely
>>>> hear any Jew, not even the shyster/rightards in the GOP, openly smear
>>>> an entire group. No other group even comes close.
>>>> At the other end of the spectrum polls show 98 - 99% of Arabs openly
>>>> dislike or hate Jews, blacks, etc.
>>>I think that's not a fair nor wise appraisal of Arabs. I never trust
>>>and take them all with a truck load of salt.
>>>eg When Malcolm X first went on a Haj to Arab lands in the 60's one of
>>>things that struck him was the total absence of any overt or covert form
>>>racism on the part of Arabs he met.
>> Yeah, but Malcolm had quite a history of being blind to some obvious
>> things. I know it was just part of a Hollywood Movie, but it was a
>> truthful scene: remember in the movie X when Malcolm was at a Nation
>> of Islam rally in some large building, and hanging from the walls were
>> large signs with the slogan "Women Are Our Most Valuable Possession"?
>> Yeah, great. And the White Man is the Devil.
>Never saw the movie. I'd recommend reading what Malcolm himself had to say
>about things, not a movie.
Oh, would you? How condescending of you.
Yes, I have read Haley's "Autobiography of Malcom X" and some things
that Malcolm wrote and spoke himself. The mention of the movie was
just an illustration of a point.
> He admits his own blindness in his biography. His
>rejection of the Nation of Islam is what led to his death imho fwiw.
Of course it was. NoI thugs killed him.
> When he
>came to the realisation that the White man wasn't the Devil incarnate, or
>the cause of all his people's problems, and he decided to take the Peaceful
>road, he was taken out very quickly.
>btw treating women like a possession isn't an Islamic trait,
It sure as hell is. It's not *exclusively* an Islamic trait, but all
Muslim societies I know about mistreat their women. Do you know one
> nor is it part
>of the standard teachings.
So you think it's just some weird coincidence that all Islamic
societies mistreat women?
>Defining Islam thru the practices of the Nation
>of Islam alone, is like using the KKK as the essence of Christianity. <G>
Who did that? Certainly not me.
>What is the role of women in Islam and Islamic society?
>"Even the question goes against the spirit of Islam, for Islam does not
>divide a society into competeing camps of men and women. In spite of this
>insight, there are some principles Islam considers important:
>- The physiological and emotional make-up of men and women complement one
>- There are natural or default roles that men and women assume in a family
>- Women have no inherent religious or social limitations to prevent them
>assuming any role."
>"The general spirit of the Qur'an is that men and women should not compete
>for supremacy, but work to compensate for each others limitations and
>weaknesses, because "they are your garments and you are their garments"
>[Qur'an, 2:187] "
>"The Qur'an in verse 9:71 says that 'the believers, men and women, are
>protectors one of another' "
>Page 251 - 101 Questions you asked about Islam by Mehmet Ozalp
>ISBN 876040 63 7
Blah blah blah.