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Re: The downs of Opera (was Re: Where are my sent emails?)

Subject: Re: The downs of Opera was Re: Where are my sent emails?
From: Philip J. Koenig
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:39:30 -0800
Newsgroups: opera.general
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:05:12 -0600, 
in article <op.s09oay1pwmwqgg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 
jhmeyers@xxxxxxx (John H Meyers) writes...
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:54:22 -0600, Philip J. Koenig wrote:
> 
> > all you need is to lose a few very important emails
> > containing critical business communications due to
> > either an unexplained transient outage
> > or some stupidly-designed "spam filter"
> 
> We had an ISP blocking via SpamCop;
> never gave anyone a clue what they were silently chucking,
> cost us a lot (one kid's PC got taken over through a web site,
> distance students all over the world stopped getting our mail).
> 
> Local ISP (with high rates) said
> "we don't know how to whitelist, can propose as future project"
> 
> So we recommend using ISPs who pay more for real spam service,
> the kind which segregates but permits review,
> not an irretrievable "black hole."
> 
> All the webmail biggies have "junk/bulk" mailboxes to inspect
> for false positives, but Yahoo and Hotmail let you *choose*
> to send spam directly to a black hole; Gmail is wiser --
> we always have people saying that mail from us never arrived,
> and it turns out it was false positive and immediately deleted
>  from Yahoo/Hotmail on arrival -- better to scan first and see.


OK, this is the last posting I am going to make on this.

Obviously there are "crappy" ISPs and "good" ISPs, just
like anything else.  Among the things which would contribute 
to being a "crappy ISP" would be 1) poor communications with
customers, 2) poor anti-spam systems.

I would have assumed that you understood that I would not
advocate trading "free webmail" for a "crappy ISP".



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