20.10.05 в 17:31 Matthew Winn в своём письме писал(а):
I guess not. Even a page containing nothing but <<<<<<< isn't
_completely_ invalid because the very first "<" is correct. :-)
without closing ">" still valid? :)
Thus it most probably will be dumb with any browser ?
It may work as the result of a bug.
May. Sometimes. I think it would be minority.
So, what was the point in Validate in Opera's context menu ? No point
It's a useful tool for webmasters and people investigating problems.
Those people could modify menu by their hands.
It's not something that the average user would ever understand. 99%
of users don't think of web pages as instructions to a computer and
they couldn't even begin to understand the concept of "invalid pages".
Do they understand concept of broken file, read from bad floppy drive ?
Or corrupt file, that downloaded from some server with error ?
They are not requierd to think of HTML as a language, they just to adopt
the idea, that the problem might be on server's side.
To them a web page is just a document, like a Word document: there's
nothing in there that _means_ anything, so how could it be invalid?
Yes, they will not came to the idea themselves.
This does not mean they would never understand it if told.
Those who want to know, might ask some more experienced friend or google
or perhaps in some far day every Opera error and warning would have
MoreDetials link to some wiki explaining the matter.
Those who want not to know - they will have a choice, whom to trust. Ether
to web page assuming Opera is bad, or to Opera telling page is bad. If
they get used to Opera - they will want to trust it.
> What's good or bad to the user and what's good or bad to the browser
> are completely different things.
But there are quite many times when ther walk together, and those a
places, making someones cry "Opera is garbage and IE is brilliant" -
i want with such a gauge - to leave them without such a posibility.
But they won't understand that. Even if you tell them that the page
is wrong they'll hear that as "Opera can't understand the page".
I believe that share of complete and convinced morons are far from 100% ;)
Let's not count all the users as self-blinded ones.
web page is just a page of text and pictures; how can it be wrong?
If they would ask that question - then they began to doubt.
If they do not ask the question - they might trust Opera.
If they do not ask the question and do not want to trust Opera - then the
situation is not worse, than if they do not see gauge and instead see
> Validation is a useful tool for determining the cause of a problem,
> but it's only part of the process
Gauge is a useful tool for easy seeing which page might worth
test, and of course it's only part of the process.
The problem with a gauge is that it may say a problem is Opera's fault
when it isn't, and it may say that the page is wrong when it's fine.
Something that gives false positives and false negatives isn't reliable
enough to be useful.
Every anti-spam filter gives some false positives and some false negatives.
Police, court, antivirus software...
For everything in our world we have to admit right to some share of false
positives and false negatives.
I'd say that webmaster carefully following standards is less likely to
make senseless markup than the webmaster who does not.
And let's score some faults in markup as less important and more important.
Why are You so sure the results of this gauge will be necessary in no
correlation with the picture, seen by human user?
Any form of validation requires someone with the
understanding to evaluate the results.
How many people are using antiviri without exact knowledge what is virus
and what is program ?
In they doubtful case they ever trust antivirus, or call some person with
understanding, or trust the program antivirus alerted about.
What i want is that people to know that web page is not necessary "text
and pictures", that it might be wrong. That this idea is not nonsense.
they can remember, if guided, that web page might be a kind of a program.
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