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Re: mc in fedora 10

Subject: Re: mc in fedora 10
From: MK
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:35:12 -0500
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:21:25 +0100
"Yury V. Zaytsev" <[email protected]> wrote:

> The way modern distros work is different from what it used to look like
> [...]
> Once the system is installed you are expected to use its package
> management facilities to pull anything else you might need from the
> Internet. Essentially, past this point you are expected to forget about
> the DVDs at all. [...]
> Frankly, I can't understand how come people can't spend an hour to look
> through the intro on how you are supposed to use a distribution to waste
> days on recompiling packages from older source archives...

I understand that!  However, I would not call 8gb "just enough packages to get 
a minimal self-sustainable working system".  I have been using linux since the 
late 1990's, I am a programmer, and I am sure I still do not even have HALF of 
what is on those 2 DVD's installed.  Some of the packages are IMO quite obscure 
and totally unnecessary to any "basic installation" *regardless of hardware, 
etc* -- but mc is still not among them.  Eg, there is a ton of development 
libraries, which are great for development, but they CANNOT be necessary for 
anything else.  In other words, that DVD set is intended on some level to be a 
"complete" repository.  Not everyone in the world has a high speed connection, 
after all, and in some circumstances installations may be done where there is 
NO connection.

However I will also admit that at that point I was still strictly an "rpm" 
command user (I was travelling the world, sans computer, c. 2003-2008) -- 
search for rpm, download rpm, install rpm (one of the things I appreciate much 
about mc is it's ability to open the .cpio package for viewing).  My impression 
at that time was that the online redhat database had taken a definate turn for 
the worse in terms of functionality/user-friendliness, I suppose because the 
use of yum over the net had come to replace the web frontend.
Basically, my point is that most linux users do not use mc and it occupies an 
obscure place in most major distros.  Vis. "waste days on recompiling packages 
from older source archives" -- no, I just find the homepage, download the 
source tarball, and compile it according to my preferences.  I do not have a 
hard time determining and accounting for prereqs.  IMO most linux users would 
benefit if they got a little more comfortable with the "build" process, but 
that is a contentious position.

And thanks again for mc, I can't say that enough.  It's my #1 recommendation to 
linux newbies.

MK <[email protected]>
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