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Re: mc-4.6.1-20060912.patch

Subject: Re: mc-4.6.1-20060912.patch
From: Pavel Tsekov
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:39:41 +0300 EEST
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, Thomas Dickey wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Pavel Tsekov wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, Thomas Dickey wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, Pavel Tsekov wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Do you mind to post a reference to that discussion so it can be verified 
>>>> ?
>>> 
>>> Here's another (though I still don't see the particular one I had in mind)
>>> 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_frm/thread/a6ae02f59bed4d8f/66481938acc67375?lnk=st&q=(ncurses+OR+xterm+OR+vttest+OR+cproto+OR+diffstat+OR+terminfo+OR+termcap)&rnum=123&hl=en#66481938acc67375
>> 
>> By the way the following statements are quite incorrect:
>> 
>> "MC "could" be built with ncurses, but its maintainers have been not
>> much interested in maintaining that configuration(*)."
>
> mouse doesn't work with ncurses, hasn't for more than four years.
> I also noted with interest Pavel Roskin's comments four years ago
> proposing to remove all of the ncurses support from MC (google isn't showing 
> me the comment, or I'd provide a URL for your amusement).

When you find the URL - read the whole thread. You'll notice a post from
me too.

>> "(*) equally, since MC for quite a while used gcc-specific code which would 
>> not compile with an ANSI C compiler, I was uninterested in wasting much 
>> time with it. "
>
> yes - I encountered that (compound statement) sometime in the 90's, 
> considering whether to provide a copy of it for my development group, found 
> that it wouldn't compile, deleted it and resolved to not touch it until that 
> was fixed. I revisited that more than once, and if you take the time to 
> search on my newsgroup postings, you'll notice that I commented on this more 
> than once.
>
> When working on my patch this week, I grep'd for the compound statement,
> didn't find it - and didn't find any mention of it in the changelog.
> In any case, you would presumably agree that "quite a while" refers to
> a span of years, which is accurate.
>
>> I myself am using MC with ncurses most of the tmie. The Cygwin package
>> for MC, which I maintain, is compiled against ncurses. I have spent
>> considerable amount of time tracking bugs in MC to make it work
>> correct with ncurses.
>> 
>> I build MC on my Solaris 10 machine on a regular basis with Sun's
>> compiler. I've also built MC on Tru64 with Compaq/HP's compiler.
>
> You sound like a recent (post-2000) developer - not knowing the longterm 
> history of the program.  My first encounter with it was on the order of ten 
> years ago.  I don't use the tool, but recall email from Miguel asking
> about my directory editor.

Right! I started working on MC in 2002, but at least I don't live with
10 year old memories.

> "Spreading misinformation" is a nice way of calling someone a liar.
> Don't be surprised if I regard you as poorly informed.

You obviously didn't took the time to refresh your memories as far as I 
can tell.
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