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Re: commited docs vs wiki -- was: Re: [jira] Commented: (LUCENE-805) New

Subject: Re: commited docs vs wiki -- was: Re: [jira] Commented: (LUCENE-805) New Lucene Demo
From: Grant Ingersoll
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:04:20 -0500
I'll ask on infrastructure if there is a way to take a snapshot of the Wiki as HTML for release purposes. If we can do that, then I think we could move more to the Wiki. One solution, would be to have a simple script that calls wget (or some crawler) and downloads all of the wiki. It would, however, be better if the wiki supported tagging a snapshot. I've seen flashes of references on other projects about the Confluence wiki from Atlassian. Is this available for use at Apache and does it have the features we want?

Also, FWIW, I just updated the release page on the Wiki and it said:
        Thank you for your changes. Your attention to detail is appreciated.

        Status of sending notification mails:
        [en] DanielNaber, StevenParkes, : Mail sent OK
Do these two really receive all the wiki change notification emails or are they just subscribed to this particular page?


On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Chris Hostetter wrote:

: Yeah, query-syntax is pretty static, so that would be fine, but I
: sense a slippery slope here.  Scoring is static, too, but I think if
: people want to add to the scoring doc, that would be fine.  Part of
: me feels like it should be all the docs, including the file formats b/
: c we are trying to encourage people to document.  On the other hand,
: some parts of the docs, like the file formats and query-syntax, feel
: more in stone to me and I can see a case that they should only be
: changed through a patch approach so that a committer is reviewing the

i'm with you all the way on that one ... it seems like every day i change my mind about how important it is to have "official" documentation vs wiki

when solr first entered incubation, most of our stuff went in the wiki
just because it seemed like the easiest way to get feedback,
improvements, and copy-editing from the widest audience ... we discussed migrating docs into subversion once they were more fleshed out, but now we're looking at migrating more docs from subversion to the wiki then we
are the other direction.

for Lucene-Java i'd be really leary of things like fileformats,
querystynax, and scoring just being wiki pages ... people still ask
questions about the fileformat from lucene 1.4.2, or how scoring worked in 1.2 ... if the only history of thta info was in a wiki where you had to figure out the right historic version that lined up with your code based on date stamps of commits (because we'd want to update the doc when hte
change was commited, not when the release was made)

the killer solution to a lot of problems would be a good utility for
slurping the whole wiki into html files, with all of hte wiki links *and*
all of the links from the wiki to the "site" being translated into
relative file paths as an automated part of hte release.

the only other anoyance i have about the wiki that wouldn't be solved with something like thta is the "javadoc annotation missing feature" problem of the wiki ... some things really belong in javadocs, but you still want to allow users to easily annoate those docs with their own tips/tricks about using it ... stuff that's deliniated as not being formal documentation,
but still good to keep in mind, ie: set the gold standard for this years ago...

...and Perl's CPAN is making progress...

... but i've never seen a good Javadoc appraoch to this problem, and none of these solutions really address the issue of "releasing" baked versions of hte documentation that include the annotations/tips ... you'd have to
commit them as part of the formal docs)

: wiki policy to notify java-dev or java-commits when there are
: changes? I'm not sure how the wiki is administered or if I'm missing
: the notifications already.

i believe wiki edits already go to the commits list (that's how we set
Solr up anyway)


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