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RE: One Day Pass Proposal was Re: One Day Pass for newcomers

Subject: RE: One Day Pass Proposal was Re: One Day Pass for newcomers
From: "David Harrington"
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:00:38 -0400
Looks good to me.

I have concerns about #6, since it is fairly common that we run light
on food during the reception. And if there are limits on the
reception, then I think it reaosnable to favor those who paid for the
full week. But I can support the experiment.

Will One Day Pass first-timers be invited to the First-Time Attendees
reception as well?

dbh 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Ray Pelletier
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:37 PM
> To: Doug Barton
> Cc: John C Klensin; 'IETF-Discussion'
> Subject: One Day Pass Proposal was Re: One Day Pass for newcomers
> 
> All;
> 
> Let me offer a suggestion for which we would like to receive 
> quick and  
> constructive feedback so that the opening of the IETF 76 
> registration  
> will not be delayed.
> 
> One Day Pass Program
> 
> A person may purchase a One Day Pass to attend any one day of 
> the IETF  
> Meeting for $200.
> 
> Benefits of the One Day Pass:
> 1. Attend all sessions during any one day of the Meeting, and 
> partake  
> of the food and beverage during the breaks that day
> 2. Day can be selected during online registration, but can be 
> changed  
> onsite without penalty
> 3. Payments may be made onsite without a late fee
> 4. Pass can be upgraded to a full Meeting Registration, 
> however, late  
> fee may apply if initial Pass payment not made before Early Bird  
> deadline (Note: Intended to discourage gaming the system)
> 5. Attend Sunday Tutorials at no additional charge
> 6. Attend Sunday Welcome Reception at no additional charge
> 7. Attend Wednesday and Thursday Plenaries at no additional charge
> 8. Purchase a ticket 4 - 5 PM on Tuesday to attend the Host's 
> Tuesday  
> evening Social, if tickets are available
> 
> Ray
> IAD
> 
> On Aug 23, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
> 
> > John C Klensin wrote:
> >>
> >> --On Sunday, August 23, 2009 14:18 -0700 Doug Barton
> >> <dougb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> ...
> >>> So, if someone doesn't get at
> >>>> least a day pass, I'd be happier if we charged a nominal (even
> >>>> if only $10 - $20) fee for registration for the tutorial than
> >>>> just open the doors.
> >>
> >>> I disagree here. I think that opening the newcomer's session
> >>> and (if the host is agreeable) the reception on Sunday to all
> >>> comers would have way more benefits than costs. Of course we
> >>> would have to capitalize on all those fresh bodies by having
> >>> registration open and suitable promotional materials for both
> >>> full and one-day registration prominently (yet tastefully)
> >>> displayed.
> >>
> >> Doug,
> >>
> >> I think that the ability for active participants in the IETF to
> >> get into the reception and even eat is fairly important,
> >> probably more important than encouraging first-timers and
> >> visitors.  I hope that you would agree with that, even though we
> >> would both prefer to have no restrictions in that regard.
> >
> > I definitely agree that if I pay for IETF I want my shot at 
> the dried
> > out chicken wings, yes. :)  FWIW I'm not trying to minimize your
> > concerns, which I think are valid. I simply think that reasonable
> > minds can differ on the cost/benefit analysis.
> >
> >> What caused my suggestion for a nominal fee and some sort of
> >> preregistration (which that fee would imply) was a vision of the
> >> IETF meeting in a location with nearby college campuses and the
> >> possibility of signs (possibly put up by third parties)
> >> advertising the reception and noting "free food" and, depending
> >> on the location and sponsor "free beer".  I leave the rest to
> >> your imagination.
> >
> > Well, you seem to have a darker view of human nature than I do,
and
> > that's saying something. There are ways to solve both problems I
> > think, such as setting aside the first 30 minutes for paid
> > participants and opening the doors wide after that.
> >
> > In any case I don't want to overengineer the social events. I
> > personally think that we should use the golden rule. 
> Whoever pays the
> > gold for the event gets to make the rules.
> >
> > Regardless of where we come out on the socials I think it would be
> > good to have some kind of consensus on opening the newcomer
session
> > and the plenaries, at minimum to those who pay for day 
> passes (and IMO
> > for all comers). There's only a little over 2 months till
Hiroshima,
> > so it would be nice to have a settled policy on this 
> soon-ish so that
> > people can make their plans appropriately.
> >
> >
> > Doug
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