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Re: One Day Pass Proposal was Re: One Day Pass for newcomers

Subject: Re: One Day Pass Proposal was Re: One Day Pass for newcomers
From: Ray Pelletier
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:13:27 -0400

On Aug 24, 2009, at 4:00 PM, David Harrington wrote:

Looks good to me.

I have concerns about #6, since it is fairly common that we run light
on food during the reception. And if there are limits on the
reception, then I think it reaosnable to favor those who paid for the
full week. But I can support the experiment.

Will One Day Pass first-timers be invited to the First-Time Attendees
reception as well?

If they self-identify as First Timers they will be invited.



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Ray Pelletier
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:37 PM
To: Doug Barton
Cc: John C Klensin; 'IETF-Discussion'
Subject: One Day Pass Proposal was Re: One Day Pass for newcomers


Let me offer a suggestion for which we would like to receive
quick and
constructive feedback so that the opening of the IETF 76
will not be delayed.

One Day Pass Program

A person may purchase a One Day Pass to attend any one day of
the IETF
Meeting for $200.

Benefits of the One Day Pass:
1. Attend all sessions during any one day of the Meeting, and
of the food and beverage during the breaks that day
2. Day can be selected during online registration, but can be
onsite without penalty
3. Payments may be made onsite without a late fee
4. Pass can be upgraded to a full Meeting Registration,
however, late
fee may apply if initial Pass payment not made before Early Bird
deadline (Note: Intended to discourage gaming the system)
5. Attend Sunday Tutorials at no additional charge
6. Attend Sunday Welcome Reception at no additional charge
7. Attend Wednesday and Thursday Plenaries at no additional charge
8. Purchase a ticket 4 - 5 PM on Tuesday to attend the Host's
evening Social, if tickets are available


On Aug 23, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Doug Barton wrote:

John C Klensin wrote:

--On Sunday, August 23, 2009 14:18 -0700 Doug Barton
<[email protected]> wrote:

So, if someone doesn't get at
least a day pass, I'd be happier if we charged a nominal (even
if only $10 - $20) fee for registration for the tutorial than
just open the doors.

I disagree here. I think that opening the newcomer's session
and (if the host is agreeable) the reception on Sunday to all
comers would have way more benefits than costs. Of course we
would have to capitalize on all those fresh bodies by having
registration open and suitable promotional materials for both
full and one-day registration prominently (yet tastefully)


I think that the ability for active participants in the IETF to
get into the reception and even eat is fairly important,
probably more important than encouraging first-timers and
visitors.  I hope that you would agree with that, even though we
would both prefer to have no restrictions in that regard.

I definitely agree that if I pay for IETF I want my shot at
the dried
out chicken wings, yes. :)  FWIW I'm not trying to minimize your
concerns, which I think are valid. I simply think that reasonable
minds can differ on the cost/benefit analysis.

What caused my suggestion for a nominal fee and some sort of
preregistration (which that fee would imply) was a vision of the
IETF meeting in a location with nearby college campuses and the
possibility of signs (possibly put up by third parties)
advertising the reception and noting "free food" and, depending
on the location and sponsor "free beer".  I leave the rest to
your imagination.

Well, you seem to have a darker view of human nature than I do,
that's saying something. There are ways to solve both problems I
think, such as setting aside the first 30 minutes for paid
participants and opening the doors wide after that.

In any case I don't want to overengineer the social events. I
personally think that we should use the golden rule.
Whoever pays the
gold for the event gets to make the rules.

Regardless of where we come out on the socials I think it would be
good to have some kind of consensus on opening the newcomer
and the plenaries, at minimum to those who pay for day
passes (and IMO
for all comers). There's only a little over 2 months till
so it would be nice to have a settled policy on this
soon-ish so that
people can make their plans appropriately.

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