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bug#631: the M- notation suggestion

Subject: bug#631: the M- notation suggestion
From: xah lee <xah@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:53:21 -0700
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug


I think you mean "GNU/Linux".


Yes. GNU/Linux. Sorry i forgot i'm talking to you. LOL. (i do support GNU/Linux naming)

Linux has no user interface and its
documentation has no reason to refer to any specific keys.


In Gnome or KDE, when you pull menus, doesn't the shortcut shows beside the menu command names?

I think I forgot to mention this. I think if this suggestion is to be adapted, changing the shortcut notation as they are displayed in menus should be part of it. Perhaps even more important than the manual.


Our convention for the GNU system is C-x and M-x, which is what you
are proposing to change.

Using a notation that contains the actual label on keyboard's keys is
    much easier to understand. A beginning computer user, can read the
    ?Ctrl+?key?? notation and figure out which keys to press.

There is some validity in that argument.

For the Emacs Manual I have a feeling this would be very wasteful.
But maybe it would be ok for some of the help commands, maybe even for
all of them.


Wasteful, as in too much effort and little benefit?

I think the effort would be few hours of interactive find/replace in the emacs manual's info source. O, there's also emacs tutorial info file. Possibly a few more.

the other part is to fix the elisp code so that menus display shortcuts using the Alt+ ant Ctrl+ notations. I'm not sure how this can be done or how much effort it takes.

I think the benefit would be great, because it gets rid of one big learning curve perception that stops people from using emacs.

  Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

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On Jul 30, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Richard M Stallman wrote:

    The Alt+?key? or Ctrl+?key? notation is universal among
    Windows and Linux.

I think you mean "GNU/Linux".  Linux has no user interface and its
documentation has no reason to refer to any specific keys.

Our convention for the GNU system is C-x and M-x, which is what you
are proposing to change.

Using a notation that contains the actual label on keyboard's keys is
    much easier to understand. A beginning computer user, can read the
    ?Ctrl+?key?? notation and figure out which keys to press.

There is some validity in that argument.

For the Emacs Manual I have a feeling this would be very wasteful.
But maybe it would be ok for some of the help commands, maybe even for
all of them.

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