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Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora usability : a new project?

Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora usability : a new project?
From: "Paul W. Frields"
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:32:08 -0400
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 12:59 +0530, Rahul wrote:
> Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 14:53 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> >> Le Mar 8 aoÃt 2006 13:14, Paul W. Frields a Ãcrit :
> >>
> >>>> We have a great product. That needs promoting and user feed back.
> >>> The first is what Marketing is for.  The second is what Bugzilla is for.
> >> I strongly disagree.
> > [...snip...]
> > 
> > Thank you Nicolas, this is the first substantial discussion I've seen on
> > this topic.  I really have no opposition to a SIG for this work, but I
> > want to see it hashed out on the appropriate lists transparently, not
> > unilaterally announced.  Unless I missed the big discussion elsewhere --
> > which is possible; unlike the superhuman Rahul, I monitor only a subset
> > of the work going on!  (I don't know how he does it, honestly.)
> > 
> Nicolas comments can be summed up as Red Hat does more work on upstream 
> than it does on polish which is what I said in the earlier board 
> discussions too. You shouldnt be missing that being a member yourself.


It's possible that you're missing the point of this particular
discussion.  It wasn't that I don't understand the potential goals of a
Usability initiative (I do), nor that I don't understand a need for it
(I do), nor that I didn't understand Nicolas' comments (I did).  The
entire problem -- and you will see the threads on fedora-advisory-board
to this effect -- is that announcements are being made about "official"
Feodra projects without any prior discussion about those needs, setting
concrete goals and objectives, and so forth.  I came back with some
comments intended to raise issues about possible duplication of effort
and get people talking about it.  I don't mind being wrong, but the
discussion needs to take place.

My final comment was intended to point out that I hadn't seen any of
this discussion, although there was a possibility they were being held
somewhere that I hadn't seen them.  Those should be community
discussions like RFCs where interested parties can hash them out before
bringing them to the proper venue for backing.

I haven't missed your comments in board meetings, but they don't
constitute public discussion either, AFAICT.

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