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RE: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-ecrit-phonebcp-03

Subject: RE: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-ecrit-phonebcp-03
From: "Brian Rosen"
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:26:18 -0500
I understand you argued, but I don't think we got consensus.  

I think without location hiding and unauthenticated access we don't have a 
solution. 

QoS can wait

Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:30 AM
> To: Brian Rosen
> Cc: 'GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART)'; 'Dawson, Martin'; 'Cullen Jennings';
> 'ECRIT'
> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-ecrit-
> phonebcp-03
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> see the discussion at IETF#69:
> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/minutes/ecrit.txt
> 
> The meeting minutes are short but indicate what we discussed:
> 
> > Brian - considers that the framework/bcp are the last documents out of
> ECRIT as they document how this works and to go to a RFC status then
> 
> > Hannes - argues that they are orthogonal
> 
> > Hannes - QoS how is this done is another, e.g., so this is just for the
> base protocol
> 
> > Brian - can do it.
> 
> > James - just going to second Hannes
> 
> > Consensus to go for WGLC
> 
> 
> If you want then we can use this meeting again to ask the question about
> * Location Hiding
> * Unauthenticated Emergency Services
> being addressed in this document.
> There are most likely other things to consider (such as QoS) in the
> future but we don't even have a document about it.
> 
> I strongly argued that we should deal with these issues after we got the
> current documents done.
> 
> Ciao
> Hannes
> 
> 
> 
> Brian Rosen wrote:
> > Hannes
> >
> > Could you point me to the meeting minutes, chair consensus call, etc
> where the group "decided to postpone it"?
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@xxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:03 AM
> >> To: Brian Rosen
> >> Cc: 'GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART)'; 'Dawson, Martin'; 'Cullen Jennings';
> >> 'ECRIT'
> >> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-ecrit-
> >> phonebcp-03
> >>
> >> Hi Brian
> >>
> >> there are two issues:
> >>
> >> a) Do we want to talk about this issue in the current framework
> document?
> >>
> >> In the past the group decided to postpone it. We have compiled a
> >> separate document that deals with this issue.
> >>
> >> b) What are the specific terms we should use? Can we just use one term
> >> that covers all these aspects?
> >>
> >> This is something we should discuss once we got the framework/phone BCP
> >> document done.
> >> There is a set of terminology proposal available and I am more than
> >> happy to discuss the different aspects. I do not believe that all the
> >> different cases can be addressed by a single term.
> >>
> >> Ciao
> >> Hannes
> >>
> >> Brian Rosen wrote:
> >>
> >>> That dices and slices the problem in many ways.  A simple term is
> needed
> >>>
> >> for the big picture.
> >>
> >>> Brian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@xxxxxxx]
> >>>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 4:26 AM
> >>>> To: Brian Rosen
> >>>> Cc: 'GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART)'; 'Dawson, Martin'; 'Cullen
> Jennings';
> >>>> 'ECRIT'
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-ecrit-
> >>>> phonebcp-03
> >>>>
> >>>> There is terminology proposals in a separate document.
> >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/draft-schulzrinne-ecrit-
> unauthenticated-
> >>>> access-01.txt
> >>>>
> >>>> This terminology was discussed with Wimax Forum members.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ciao
> >>>> Hannes
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian Rosen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Doesn't improve things from my point of view.  "Authorization" is
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> slightly better in formal terms, but I think that gets confused with
> >>>> mechanisms (crypto, ...).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Brian
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART) [mailto:sgoldman@alcatel-
> lucent.com]
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:33 PM
> >>>>>> To: Brian Rosen; Dawson, Martin; Cullen Jennings
> >>>>>> Cc: ECRIT
> >>>>>> Subject: RE: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-
> ecrit-
> >>>>>> phonebcp-03
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brian,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Would the definition be better if "permission" were changed to
> >>>>>> "arrangement"?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Stuart Goldman
> >>>>>> Alcatel-Lucent
> >>>>>> sgoldman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> +1 602 493 8438
> >>>>>> ï please save a tree by not printing this e-mail.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Brian Rosen [mailto:br@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 10:29 AM
> >>>>>> To: 'Dawson, Martin'; 'Cullen Jennings'
> >>>>>> Cc: 'ECRIT'
> >>>>>> Subject: RE: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-
> ecrit-
> >>>>>> phonebcp-03
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yeah, slight reword.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> An uninitialized device does not have permission to use the access
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> and/or
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> calling network but local regulation requires the access and
> calling
> >>>>>> networks to grant such permission for the sole purpose of making
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> emergency
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> calls.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: Dawson, Martin [mailto:Martin.Dawson@xxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:34 AM
> >>>>>>> To: Cullen Jennings; Brian Rosen
> >>>>>>> Cc: ECRIT
> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Ecrit] What is an uninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-
> >>>>>>>
> >> ecrit-
> >>
> >>>>>>> phonebcp-03
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Does it actually scan?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Was the intent to say that the *access network* is required to
> >>>>>>>
> >> permit
> >>
> >>>>>>> such a device to have access for the purpose of making emergency
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> calls?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> It reads as if it's the device that has the requirement upon it...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>> Martin
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: Cullen Jennings [mailto:fluffy@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 3 December 2007 4:31 PM
> >>>>>>> To: Brian Rosen
> >>>>>>> Cc: ECRIT
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] What is an uninitializeddevice-
> >>>>>>> draft-ietf-ecrit-phonebcp-03
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Brian Rosen wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> An unitialized device does not have permission to use the access
> >>>>>>>> and/or
> >>>>>>>> calling network, but is required, by regulation to permit such
> >>>>>>>> access for
> >>>>>>>> the sole purpose of making emergency calls.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I like that definition. Cullen <with my individual contributor hat
> >>>>>>>
> >> on>
> >>
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