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RE: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-ecrit-phonebcp-03

Subject: RE: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-ecrit-phonebcp-03
From: "Brian Rosen"
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:24:55 -0500
Hannes

Could you point me to the meeting minutes, chair consensus call, etc where the 
group "decided to postpone it"?

Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:03 AM
> To: Brian Rosen
> Cc: 'GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART)'; 'Dawson, Martin'; 'Cullen Jennings';
> 'ECRIT'
> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-ecrit-
> phonebcp-03
> 
> Hi Brian
> 
> there are two issues:
> 
> a) Do we want to talk about this issue in the current framework document?
> 
> In the past the group decided to postpone it. We have compiled a
> separate document that deals with this issue.
> 
> b) What are the specific terms we should use? Can we just use one term
> that covers all these aspects?
> 
> This is something we should discuss once we got the framework/phone BCP
> document done.
> There is a set of terminology proposal available and I am more than
> happy to discuss the different aspects. I do not believe that all the
> different cases can be addressed by a single term.
> 
> Ciao
> Hannes
> 
> Brian Rosen wrote:
> > That dices and slices the problem in many ways.  A simple term is needed
> for the big picture.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@xxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 4:26 AM
> >> To: Brian Rosen
> >> Cc: 'GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART)'; 'Dawson, Martin'; 'Cullen Jennings';
> >> 'ECRIT'
> >> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-ecrit-
> >> phonebcp-03
> >>
> >> There is terminology proposals in a separate document.
> >> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/draft-schulzrinne-ecrit-unauthenticated-
> >> access-01.txt
> >>
> >> This terminology was discussed with Wimax Forum members.
> >>
> >> Ciao
> >> Hannes
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian Rosen wrote:
> >>
> >>> Doesn't improve things from my point of view.  "Authorization" is
> >>>
> >> slightly better in formal terms, but I think that gets confused with
> >> mechanisms (crypto, ...).
> >>
> >>> Brian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART) [mailto:sgoldman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:33 PM
> >>>> To: Brian Rosen; Dawson, Martin; Cullen Jennings
> >>>> Cc: ECRIT
> >>>> Subject: RE: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-ecrit-
> >>>> phonebcp-03
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian,
> >>>>
> >>>> Would the definition be better if "permission" were changed to
> >>>> "arrangement"?
> >>>>
> >>>> Stuart Goldman
> >>>> Alcatel-Lucent
> >>>> sgoldman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> +1 602 493 8438
> >>>> ï please save a tree by not printing this e-mail.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Brian Rosen [mailto:br@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 10:29 AM
> >>>> To: 'Dawson, Martin'; 'Cullen Jennings'
> >>>> Cc: 'ECRIT'
> >>>> Subject: RE: [Ecrit] What is anuninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-ecrit-
> >>>> phonebcp-03
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, slight reword.
> >>>>
> >>>> An uninitialized device does not have permission to use the access
> >>>>
> >> and/or
> >>
> >>>> calling network but local regulation requires the access and calling
> >>>> networks to grant such permission for the sole purpose of making
> >>>>
> >> emergency
> >>
> >>>> calls.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Dawson, Martin [mailto:Martin.Dawson@xxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:34 AM
> >>>>> To: Cullen Jennings; Brian Rosen
> >>>>> Cc: ECRIT
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [Ecrit] What is an uninitializeddevice- draft-ietf-
> ecrit-
> >>>>> phonebcp-03
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does it actually scan?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Was the intent to say that the *access network* is required to
> permit
> >>>>> such a device to have access for the purpose of making emergency
> >>>>>
> >> calls?
> >>
> >>>>> It reads as if it's the device that has the requirement upon it...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Martin
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Cullen Jennings [mailto:fluffy@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, 3 December 2007 4:31 PM
> >>>>> To: Brian Rosen
> >>>>> Cc: ECRIT
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] What is an uninitializeddevice-
> >>>>> draft-ietf-ecrit-phonebcp-03
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Dec 2, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Brian Rosen wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> An unitialized device does not have permission to use the access
> >>>>>> and/or
> >>>>>> calling network, but is required, by regulation to permit such
> >>>>>> access for
> >>>>>> the sole purpose of making emergency calls.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I like that definition. Cullen <with my individual contributor hat
> on>
> >>>>>
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