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Re: [Ecrit] Profiles (was: Consensus Call) - namespaces

Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Profiles (was: Consensus Call) - namespaces
From: Henning Schulzrinne
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:26:46 -0400
Maybe we need to restart this discussion, as I'm lost. I still haven't heard a single technical argument as to what additional information a profile name, outside the XML, contains that would not be visible in the namespace and tag declarations. I was taught that XML documents could stand alone, without additional meta information, once you have pointers to the namespaces. Do you have a citation that indicates that this is wrong?

I'm looking at Walmsley, "Definitive XML Schema" and it says:

"Instances can be related to schemas in a variety of ways ...

* ...
* dereferencing the namespace. The namespace can be dereferenced to retrieve a schema document or resource directory."

In this case, this is a URN and all relevant schema will be known to the receiver and we have a one-to-one relationship between namespace and schema, so there's no ambiguity. (Walmsley points out various reasons why an HTTP-like namespace identifier may not be a good idea, but none of them seem to apply here.)

Also, as I mentioned before, XMPP seems to follow roughly the same model as 4119. E.g., the core spec defines a schema and namespace urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-sasl and urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-tls. There is no profile indication, as far as I can tell, even for the various extensions (say, namespace jabber:x:data).

Can you please provide a reference or other authority that supports or explains your view?

Henning

On Apr 26, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Andrew Newton wrote:


On Apr 26, 2007, at 10:53 PM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote:

I've asked a few times, but why would LoST care that the civicAddr is derived from DHCP as opposed to, say, entered manually? Obviously, the current profile doesn't convey that information, either.

I don't think it should care. The point wasn't that it came from DHCP, the point was that it was a 3825-like compound location. Sorry if that was confusing.

-andy


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