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Re: Emacs's M-‹key› Notation vs Alt+‹key› Notation

Subject: Re: Emacs's M-‹key› Notation vs Alt+‹key› Notation
From: Arndt Roger Schneider
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:56:07 +0200
Newsgroups: comp.emacs


Malte Spiess schrieb:
"xahlee@xxxxxxxxx" <xahlee@xxxxxxxxx> writes:


On Aug 5, 12:40 pm, Ingo Menger <quetzalc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 5 Aug., 17:00, "xah...@xxxxxxxxx" <xah...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Xah wrote:

http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_meta_key.html

On Aug 5, 7:28 am, Ingo Menger <quetzalc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 30 Jul., 01:13, "xah...@xxxxxxxxx" <xah...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

IDENTICAL TO KEY'S LABEL

Yes that is the idea:
^A is Control-a
^[shift]-A is Control-A

The way apple deals with it is clearly the best out there,
The gui-emacs usual follow it, albeit in
haphazard way.


Using a notation that contains the actual label on keyboard's keys is
much easier to understand. A beginning computer user, can read the
“Ctrl+‹key›” notation and figure out which keys to press.

Not all the world is using american or english keyboards.

you mean they use chopsticks?

Very funny, indeed.
No, I mean language specific keyboards, such as the german one, where
the CTRL key is labelled STRG.


Does Apple's Mac OS X in germain shows STRG-‹key› in manual or menu?

Special-Keys have special glyphs under Aqua!
The keys on an apple keyboard do feature those symbols,
except Control!
These glyphs --i think-- are volunteered by apple to the
unicode definition ?!





I don't know about apple...


Does Microsoft's Windows's show STRG-‹key› in its doc or menu?


Yes. Also Firefox and other software on Linux does (but not all).


Also, do you have a rough percentage of how many keyboards in Germany
actually has STRG printed on its key instead of Ctrl?


AFAIK all German keyboards have "Strg". Some people (mostly programmers)
prefer English keyboard layout though. I would estimate 90-95% of German
layout keyboards.



Well no!
I am sitting in front of a german keyboard from a
german company (actually i did want to have it in
english, since i am also an software developer),
but the dealer could not deliver an english version...

It states: Ctrl Tabs Caps Lock Scroll Lock Num Lock Pause Break Home Pg Up Ins Del Back Space ... and of course äöüß!


I looked at german site of amazon, and checked Microsoft's keyboards:

                                www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_ss_pc?__mk_de_DE=%C5M%C5Z%D5%D1&url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=microsoft+keyboard&x=0&y=0">http://www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_ss_pc?__mk_de_DE=%C5M%C5Z%D5%D1&url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=microsoft+keyboard&x=0&y=0

i don't seems to see STRG.


Unfortunately Amazon does not make extra pictures for the German
website. The German Microsoft keyboard does have a Strg, as you can see
on Wikipedia:
                                de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:MSNaturalKeyboard.jpg">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:MSNaturalKeyboard.jpg


I also looked at Apple's keyboard in germany,

                                www.amazon.de/Apple-International-Sales-MB110D-Tastatur/dp/B000VE622U/ref=sr_1_1/303-1808161-1269064?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1218044063&sr=1-1">http://www.amazon.de/Apple-International-Sales-MB110D-Tastatur/dp/B000VE622U/ref=sr_1_1/303-1808161-1269064?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1218044063&sr=1-1

don't seems to see STRG.


Yes, Apple prefers the Ctrl.


Actual: ctrl.


Came across this post in comp.lang.lisp, where it
clearly not belongs to!


 Xah
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Greetings
Malte

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