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Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections Jonny Martin
From: Brajesh Jain
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:14:10 +0530

Dear Jonny,

 

Thanks for elaborating. I entirely agree.

 

A large part of being a Director on any Board (EC included) is

understanding conflict of interest - and exercising good and proper

judgement when it does, or could be perceived to arise. I completely

trust the current EC in this regard.

 

However conflict of interest – and exercising good and proper

judgement when it does and completely trust part appears a big challenge at this time.

 

With regards

 

Brajesh Jain

 

 

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:03:36 +0630

From: Jonny Martin <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections

To: Naresh Ajwani <[email protected]>

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On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Naresh Ajwani wrote:

> In my opinion, ?Internet is the leveller? but the table and the

> process of Elections are distinctively dividing the region- I may be

> wrong in assuming the same but really dont know that how Bangladesh,

> Pakistan, Sri Lanka and many such countries can get the

> representation in current EC structure.

 

But being on the EC is not about "representation".  It is about acting

in the best interests of APNIC and the APNIC community as a whole.  It

is not about representing a specific region or member organisation.

(You had quoted the roles and responsibilities of an EC member in your

original post so you should be aware of this).

 

A large part of being a Director on any Board (EC included) is

understanding conflict of interest - and exercising good and proper

judgement when it does, or could be perceived to arise.  I completely

trust the current EC in this regard.

 

Cheers,

Jonny.

 

 

 

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Message: 2

Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:34:43 -0800

From: David Conrad <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections

To: Naresh Ajwani <[email protected]>

Cc: [email protected]

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Naresh,

 

I always thought EC members represented themselves and not their organizations, their countries of origin, their language group, their religion, etc.

 

Do you have some evidence this isn't the case?

 

Regards,

-drc

 

On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Naresh Ajwani wrote:

> Dear Maemura San,

> 

> Hi,

> 

> Certainly, I wud clarify the _expression_ in due course of discussions and you are right it's about the composition of EC because of voting pattern/stalk.

> 

> In my opinion, ?Internet is the leveller? but the table and the process of Elections are distinctively dividing the region- I may be wrong in assuming the same but really dont know that how Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and many such countries can get the representation in current EC structure.

> 

> I also don?t know that how can we check a situation like that as "Security Council" if 4 EC members from 3 countries of the same belt i.e. ?majority? decides to block, say for example some country wants to have NIR.

> 

> Concerns are more on the election process but let other members from the Talk Group also have a look at the table and roles and obligations of EC.

> 

> Year

> EC1

> EC2

> EC4

> EC5

> EC3

> EC6

> EC7

> EC8

> 1998

> Toru Takahashi ,

> Japan

> Geoff Huston,

> Australia

> Xing Li,

> China

> Srisakdi Charmonman,

> Thailand

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> 

> 1999

> Toru Takahashi ,

> Japan

> Oh Kwang Sok,

> Korea

> Xing Li,

> China

> Tommi Chen,

> Malaysia

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> Geoff Huston,

> Australia

> 

> 2000

> Kazunori Konishi,

> Japan

> Oh Kwang Sok,

> Korea

> Xing Li,

> China

> Tommi Chen,

> Malaysia

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> Geoff Huston,

> Australia

> 

> 2001

> MAEMURA Akinori,

> Japan

> Byung-Kyu Kim,

Korea

> Xing Li,

> China

> Qian Hualin,

> China

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> Geoff Huston,

> Australia

> 

> 2002

> MAEMURA Akinori,

> Japan

> Byung-Kyu Kim,

Korea

> Xing Li,

> China

> Qian Hualin,

> China

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> Geoff Huston,

> Australia

> 

> 2003

> MAEMURA Akinori ,

> Japan

> Yong Wan Ju,

> Korea

> Qian Hualin,

> China

> Ma Yan,

> China

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> Geoff Huston,

> Australia

> 

> 2004

> MAEMURA Akinori ,

> Japan

> Yong Wan Ju,

> Korea

> Qian Hualin,

> China

> Ma Yan,

> China

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> Vinh Ngo,

> Australia

> 

> 2005

> MAEMURA Akinori ,

> Japan

> Moo-Ho Billy Cheon,

> Korea

> Qian Hualin,

> China

> Ma Yan,

> China

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> Vinh Ngo,

> Australia

> 

> 2006

> MAEMURA Akinori ,

> Japan

> Moo-Ho Billy Cheon,

> Korea

> Qian Hualin,

> China

> Ma Yan,

> China

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> Vinh Ngo,

> Australia

> 

> 2007

> MAEMURA Akinori ,

Japan

> Kusumba Sridhar,

> India

> Wei Mao,

> China

> Vinh Ngo,

> Australia

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> Ming-Cheng Liang,

> Taiwan

> Paul Wilson,

> Australia

> 2008

> MAEMURA Akinori,

> Japan

> Kusumba Sridhar,

> India

> Wei Mao,

> China

> Ma Yan,

> China

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> Ming-Cheng Liang,

> Taiwan

> Paul Wilson,

> Australia

> 2009

> MAEMURA Akinori,

> Japan

> Hyun-Joon Kwon,

> Korea

> Jian Zhang,

> China

> Ma Yan,

> China

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> James Spenceley,

> Australia

> Paul Wilson,

> Australia

> 2010

> MAEMURA Akinori,

> Japan

> Hyun-Joon Kwon,

> Korea

> Jian Zhang,

> China

> Ma Yan,

> China

> Che-Hoo Cheng,

> Hong Kong

> Kuo-Wei Wu,

> Taiwan

> James Spenceley,

> Australia

> Paul Wilson,

> Australia

> 

> 

> Regards and best wishes,

> 

> Naresh Ajwani

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: MAEMURA Akinori [mailto:[email protected]]

> Sent: 09 March 2010 08:42

> To: [email protected]; [email protected]

> Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections

> 

> Dear Naresh,

> 

> || The table is obvious on many unspoken but visibly glaring aspects which, coupled

> || with certain important excerpts of the by-laws reproduced below, will help in

> || understanding the areas of concern as well as the way forward for the esteemed

> || APNIC-TALK group:

> 

> Here I found a strong _expression_ "visibly glaring aspects"

> and it seems to be of the line-up of members of the Executive

> Council since its beginning.

> 

> 

> What do you try to mean?

> 

> 

> I agree whatever concern can be a start of good discussion.

> I really encourage apnic-talk for an active discussion.

> 

> 

> 

> A tiny point is that some of what you excerpted are not what

> by-law provides, but shown in

> http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/organization/structure/apnic-executive-council/EC-roles-and-obligations ,

> which the EC must comply as well, though.

> 

> 

> Regards,

> MAEMURA Akinori, a current EC member

> 

> 

> 

> In message <014[email protected]>

>    "[apnic-talk] Elections"

>    ""Naresh Ajwani" <[email protected]>" wrote:

> 

> |

> |

> | Dear All,

> |

> | On the basis of my association and experience during the last few years, I

> | appreciate and respect the processes and bottom up approach being followed at

> | APNIC and have been strongly advocating the same at various forums. In the same

> | spirit, I am confident that the call made for election reforms, at the recently

> | held meet at KL, would also be looked into with a positive and all inclusive

> | manner.

> |

> | Before any reforms are undertaken, one needs to understand the past scenario and

> | the composition of EC (given below) which can be a good starting point:

> |

> |

> | Year

> | EC1

> | EC2

> | EC4

> | EC5

> | EC3

> | EC6

> | EC7

> | EC8

> |

> | 1998

> | Toru Takahashi ,

> | Japan

> | Geoff Huston,

> | Australia

> | Xing Li,

> | China

> | Srisakdi Charmonman,

> | Thailand

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> |

> |

> | 1999

> | Toru Takahashi ,

> | Japan

> | Oh Kwang Sok,

> | Korea

> | Xing Li,

> | China

> | Tommi Chen,

> | Malaysia

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | Geoff Huston,

> | Australia

> |

> |

> | 2000

> | Kazunori Konishi,

> | Japan

> | Oh Kwang Sok,

> | Korea

> | Xing Li,

> | China

> | Tommi Chen,

> | Malaysia

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | Geoff Huston,

> | Australia

> |

> |

> | 2001

> | MAEMURA Akinori,

> | Japan

> | Byung-Kyu Kim,

> |  Korea

> | Xing Li,

> | China

> | Qian Hualin,

> | China

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | Geoff Huston,

> | Australia

> |

> |

> | 2002

> | MAEMURA Akinori,

> | Japan

> | Byung-Kyu Kim,

> |  Korea

> | Xing Li,

> | China

> | Qian Hualin,

> | China

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | Geoff Huston,

> | Australia

> |

> |

> | 2003

> | MAEMURA Akinori ,

> | Japan

> | Yong Wan Ju,

> | Korea

> | Qian Hualin,

> | China

> | Ma Yan,

> | China

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | Geoff Huston,

> | Australia

> |

> |

> | 2004

> | MAEMURA Akinori ,

> | Japan

> | Yong Wan Ju,

> | Korea

> | Qian Hualin,

> | China

> | Ma Yan,

> | China

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | Vinh Ngo,

> | Australia

> |

> |

> | 2005

> | MAEMURA Akinori ,

> | Japan

> | Moo-Ho Billy Cheon,

> | Korea

> | Qian Hualin,

> | China

> | Ma Yan,

> | China

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | Vinh Ngo,

> | Australia

> |

> |

> | 2006

> | MAEMURA Akinori ,

> | Japan

> | Moo-Ho Billy Cheon,

> | Korea

> | Qian Hualin,

> | China

> | Ma Yan,

> | China

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | Vinh Ngo,

> | Australia

> |

> |

> | 2007

> | MAEMURA Akinori ,

> |  Japan

> | Kusumba Sridhar,

> | India

> | Wei Mao,

> | China

> | Vinh Ngo,

> | Australia

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | Ming-Cheng Liang,

> | Taiwan

> | Paul Wilson,

> | Australia

> |

> | 2008

> | MAEMURA Akinori,

> | Japan

> | Kusumba Sridhar,

> | India

> | Wei Mao,

> | China

> | Ma Yan,

> | China

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | Ming-Cheng Liang,

> | Taiwan

> | Paul Wilson,

> | Australia

> |

> | 2009

> | MAEMURA Akinori,

> | Japan

> | Hyun-Joon Kwon,

> | Korea

> | Jian Zhang,

> | China

> | Ma Yan,

> | China

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | James Spenceley,

> | Australia

> | Paul Wilson,

> | Australia

> |

> | 2010

> | MAEMURA Akinori,

> | Japan

> | Hyun-Joon Kwon,

> | Korea

> | Jian Zhang,

> | China

> | Ma Yan,

> | China

> | Che-Hoo Cheng,

> | Hong Kong

> | Kuo-Wei Wu,

> | Taiwan

> | James Spenceley,

> | Australia

> | Paul Wilson,

> | Australia

> |

> |

> | The table is obvious on many unspoken but visibly glaring aspects which, coupled

> | with certain important excerpts of the by-laws reproduced below, will help in

> | understanding the areas of concern as well as the way forward for the esteemed

> | APNIC-TALK group:

> |

> | The Executive Council:

> | .       .....the Executive Council shall be composed of seven members elected at

> | AGMs in accordance with the provisions of by-laws.

> | .      Executive Council members shall serve on the Executive Council in their

> | personal capacity and shall act in the best interests of the APNIC membership and

> | not the Member organisation to which that individual belongs. Only one individual

> | per Member organisation may be elected to sit on the Executive Council.

> |

> | Quorum

> | .       A meeting of the Executive Council is duly constituted for all purposes

> | if at the commencement of the meeting there are present in person not less than

> | one half of the total number of Council members or their duly authorised

> | representatives.

> |

> | EC Confidentiality

> |

> | .       All business undertaken by the EC is confidential to the EC.

> | .       All EC members are requested to execute a formal non-disclosure

> | undertaking with APNIC

> | .       EC members should respect this confidentiality by:

> |

> |           -  not recording EC meetings

> |           -  not inviting other members to participate in, or listen into EC

> | meetings without the prior permission

> |                of the Chair of the EC

> |           -  not circulating EC mail messages to any third party without the

> | express permission of the Chair

> |              of the EC-not divulging any membership information of which they are

> | aware as an EC member.

> |

> |

> | Regards and best wishes,

> |

> | Naresh Ajwani

> |

> |

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