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Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections ()
From: "Col. R. S. Perhar"
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 17:49:56 +0530
Dear All,

It has been interesting reading the range of mails and comments on the issue
of APNIC Elections , modus operandi et al.

Let me summarise below-:
1. Issue relating to continuity-:
         Continuity in any organization is good for sustained growth,stable
policies etc. However experience shows that continuity in a democratic
institution  after a time results building/protecting personal turfs, lack
of fresh ideas, slow down of initiative... This may lead to detioration
within the organization. Something we cannot afford against newer challenges
to the community eg ITU.

2. Necessity of Voting and Voting Pattern-:

The constitution of APNIC allows for voting. This means that democratic
means are acceptable, or , in other words APNIC wants representation of its
community to decide on policies. Keeping this in view, as broadbased the
inputs the better for the community. Hence having a diverse representation
will always be more dynamic in nature. Now coming to the voting pattern.The
pattern shows that a) either very few people stand for APNIC EC elections,
b) or it is thought that only very few people can take care of the interests
of the community c) or there is something in our voting system that only
those very few can get elected? This is a matter of concern which needs to
be analysed and rethought to see is any better system can be devised to
broad base our representation as a community.

Best wishes,

Col R S Perhar

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brajesh Jain
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 2:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections ([email protected])

Dear Yamanishi San,

Actually the concern is that regions not having representation in EC feel
that their view is not heard. If actually it is being heard, there is very
less visibility that it is indeed so.

Hence it is appropriate that there is mechanism to hear and respond to all.
EC representation gives that confidence.

With regards

Brajesh Jain
Chair
ISOC Delhi Chapter

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 17:18:10 +0900
From: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections
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Dear Naresh and all,
 
It seems that your concern (and recent discussions) are focused on the
composition
of EC and the election system. However, IMHO, the composition is just the
surface
and the election system is just a procedure.
Most important point for all stakeholder is the output of EC and each EC
member's
contribution for it, I believe.
 
What is your concerns from this point?
 
Rgs,
Masato YAMANISHI

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        From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Naresh Ajwani
        Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:02 PM
        To: 'Aftab Siddiqui'; 'Matthew Moyle-Croft'
        Cc: [email protected]
        Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections
        
        
        This transparency has to come-how voting took place, number of votes
casted to all candidates....we can?t limit this information to selectd
few.....Shall we move to way forward or still more discussions are required
on the concerns?
         
        Regards and best wishes
         
        Naresh Ajwani
         
        
        From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aftab Siddiqui
        Sent: 09 March 2010 11:05
        To: Matthew Moyle-Croft
        Cc: [email protected]
        Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections
         
        Hello Mathew,
        In my opinion the problem is not with very "Small Voting Rights" but
the problem is how many members from these economies actually cast their
vote. Can any one from APNIC share these stats?
         
        Regards,
        Aftab A. Siddiqui
        
        
        On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft
<[email protected]> wrote:
         
        On 09/03/2010, at 3:02 PM, Aadit Shrestha wrote:
        
        
        
        Dear all,
        How about having 1 rotating seat for economies like Bangladesh,
Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Nepal and others who control very small voting
rights, and who have never had a member elected and cannot do so in the
foreseeable future with the same regulations.
         
        There's ?56 countries which are in the APNIC RIR "zone".  I count 9
(Japan, Australia, Korea, India, China, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Taiwan,
Thailand) that have had members from their countries elected to the board.
         
                 
                The seat could go on a round robin basis on pure consensus. 
         
        One thing missing from the table of WHO got elected is who has run
for election.   Of the nations you mention above have any of them attempted
to gain a position on the EC and been unable?  If they were elected to the
EC through a change of policy what would you assert the difference would be
as far as APNIC is run and resources allocated?   Especially as my
understanding that the policies behind resource allocation etc are set by
members voting by show of hands at the meetings not by the EC in private.   
         
        There seems to be a number of people pushing the idea that somehow
some nations are favoured over others at APNIC and that somehow the nations
with smaller voting rights are "missing out".   Is this really the case?
         
        Is it a language issue or a cultural issue?   Is the issue that some
people assume it's harder for them than others or that it's harder because
they don't do it that often?   The company I work for does quite a bit of
work to do our allocations  especially now we have to justify some historic
space.  
         
        Is the actual issue education and maybe some help/mentoring from
others?  eg.  maybe some exchange of ideas between members in different
parts of the region might actually help those who don't interact with APNIC
as often for allocation get some help from those who do or have less
cultural/language issues?   
         
        Regards,
        Matthew   
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