EC person gave a logic , while you were in the chair, that a person should not
be present in counting as ballot identity would be known.
Ballot papers have no name, so how come the identity would be
you would give your response.
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Sent: 09 March 2010 17:15
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Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections
several questions and comments of mine on to several
which you raised.
those present at AMM,
I try my best to describe how I perceive on those point.
input, positive or negative, are appreciated.
am sorry to made it lengthy.
"Re: [apnic-talk] Elections"
"Desi Valli <[email protected]>" wrote:
I can't call this as an evidence but could be considered as per the
law of interpretation.
We all went through what happened on the last day, during vote count.
As a first timer in APNIC conferences, following are some of the
observations that make me to interpret that the intentions of ECs are
not neutral, always.
of EC is possibly un-neutral,
of EC is never neutral ?
1. Elections are conducted by ECs instead of an Election commission
or someone who is not part of current responsibilities.
have an independent election committee is valid as a
of revision of election process.
the current by-laws, there is no clear provision which
who conduct the election. In this case, if Membership
not conduct it, it would belongs the EC's responsibility.
the EC is just handling it as the by-laws provides,
in practice, everything is handled to Secretariat.
the members of the EC have been very careful not to
exposed in Conflict of Interest(CoI) situation. Any decision
the conduct of the election was done except the
2. Voting is again managed by the secretariat not by a any neutral body.
have no idea how Secretariat can be not neutral.
me if Secretariat can be not neutral, any election
can be not neutral.
benefit do you think Secretariat enjoys?
3. The scrutinizers are not selected before the start of election, but
only at the time of counting.
think it better to select them just before counting than
select them before the election starts. If the scrutineers
known, a candidate might be able to access them, or
other words, any conversation between a candidate and
scrutineers might be suspected.
4. There is NO maximum number of years defined to be an EC, it looked
as if the Asian Internet community has a huge shortage of eminent
and qualified people.
am personally proud to be elected several times.
a maximum number of re-election is actually one of
adopted in such public offices. valid for the
5. THE organisation that is responsible to make Internet work, keeps
a LOOPHOLE open in the voting process in the name of proxy voting,
that helps the contestants to bargain between, and manipulate the
* (I'm from India
which is the largest democratic in the world, with
more than 750 million eligible voters, conducts the entire election
process through electronic voting systems, as the people believe
that the ballet system has loopholes for contestants to manipulate
the outcome - India
is still a developing country)
you are suggesting to eliminate paper valot and full
of electronic voting, right?
On the specific incident:
the following points I will not present my thoughts by
but in general, I perceived as;
+ Che-Hoo Cheng complained as a
candidate, requested a fix
+ MA Yan and myself refrained from
we were candidates
+ Kuo Wei Wu worked as the tentative
chair of *the EC
candidates*, I asked him for it as he is the
+ James Spenceley and Hyun-Joon Kwon
worked for a fix
*the EC without candidates*.
I believe this was the best the EC could handle the issue.
I possibly hold a bias of a candidate, I would love to
the perspectives from the other people on the floor.
are pretty much appreciated.
6. One of the EC member SUSPENDS the counting process, without HEARING
both the sides, or CONSULTING other EC members.
7. Does the constitution allows "ONLY ONE" EC to suspend the counting
process, without even discussing the case with the other EC members?
(I couldn't find any such document online, if so please send me the
8. The EC who is also a complainant is been appointed as the chair of
the "enquiry commission" by another current EC who was the chair at
that juncture, in the excuse of he being the contestant. Isn't that
obvious that there SHOULD be only neutral person as chair in such
9. Even after I objecting the decision of the complainant being the
chair of the commission, there were no moral responsibility visible,
the chair didn't step-down or ask for a consensus among the members
to continue as the chair.
The explanation of the incident was given to other EC members, only
after the suspension of counting processes was executed. Good that
James was matured enough to demand for an explanation before going
for a consensus on dismissing the counting processes. Otherwise it
would have been a suo-motto decision of ONE of the ECs, not a democratic
decision. How could an EC who is believed and trusted to be qualified
and experienced to run an organisation like APNIC, take such a hasty
decision? This is good enough to be interpreted/considered as an
EVIDENCE that the undemocratic decision of suspending the counting
process without consulting the other EC members, is definitely not
in the interests of APNIC.
suspension was the only way to wait for a decision.
entire EC with Secretariat actually tried our best as
as possible in such an unusual situation.
PS: if I had been an EC, I would have demanded resignation from such
ECs who displays a total immaturity and incompetency in handling such
serious issues and taking hasty decisions. The unilateral & dictatorial
decision of suspending the counting processes is unconstitutional and
do believe the handling for the issue was democratic
if not perfect, since the Membership had a chance
oppose any fix or to support it.
again, my view might consist of a bias of a successful
Therefore I would like to seak the input for those
were in the AMM.
of your inputs would be highly appreciated, Membership.
Akinori, who was
of the Executive Council until the election,
a successful candidate for the election as well