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Re: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call for C

Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call for Comments
From: Philip Smith
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:37:33 +1000
Hi Desi,

Desi Valli said the following on 20/11/09 18:17 :
> Cisco goes even to the level of 85% discount from their
> GLP. Impossible to listen to those numbers in westerns countries.

Do you have any references for this?

Do other vendors do the same thing?

> _Regarding Cross funding between IX/NIR_
> NIXI is a NPO and it is mandated that the organisation cannot carry
> profits. That implies the fact that the surplus should be better
> utilised.

If there is a surplus, it suggests that NIXI is making too much money.
Why not reduce the prices instead, given that 'Indianisation' is so

> I disagree to the suggestion that things are to be separated. Internet
> is a field of convergence. No technology other than IP has enabled
> convergence in all possible areas thus improving productivity and
> optimal utilisation of resources & infrastructures. Suggesting to have
> independent operations, funding & resources of IX, registry and NIR,
> defeats many very purposes of Internet itself.

Internet also abhors single points of failure. ;-)

> _Regarding the benefits for the Indian Internet Eco-system_
> 1.  Financial benefits.
> 2.  Better control, hence better utilisation.

What will be controlled?

> 3.  Better utilisation, hence better productivity.
> 4.  Better productivity, hence better cost.
> 5.  Thus creating a cyclic effort over the financial benefits.
> Over and above:
> 1.  ITU lets individual countries to manage their numbering system

Do we want to replicate the "old world" telephony system management
processes for the Internet?

The Internet has grown by international cooperation. The RIRs manage the
distribution of address space. APNIC's existing NIRs participate in this
distribution process. The RIRs don't give /8s to each country and tell
them to get on with it.

> 2.  ICANN lets individual countries to manage their ccTLDs.

Organisations responsible for managing ccTLDs have done so long before
ICANN existed. The process is not top down as I think you are implying.

> 3.  Then what is illogical in NIR?

I worry that there is a misunderstanding in what I've read so far as to
what function an NIR is actually meant to perform.

Hopefully you can clarify. :-)

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