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Re: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call for C

Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call for Comments
From: "Naresh Ajwani"
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:42:58 +0530
Dear Philip,

I hope my concern for the community in India was also observed by you:

One billion plus country has only 70 million English speaking citizens whereas
Internet in India is touching or has a potential to touch 500 million-we have 
500
million telephone connections-I don't understand just because of the language
these 430 million people don't have any say in policy making or that matter 
even,
for following it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Naresh Ajwani [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: 21 November 2009 09:31
To: 'Philip Smith'
Cc: '[email protected]'
Subject: RE: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call for
Comments


Hi Philip, my teacher, 

PS: Yes, I find the widespread use of NAT in India (and indeed other countries 
in
the region) quite disappointing. But as G P Singh pointed out, many ISPs can't
get more than a /27 from their upstream ISP. Sounds like a domestic problem, so
it would be useful to explain how an NIR would change the business practices of
these upstream providers.

NA: Domestic problems lead to operation scheme costlier in terms of registration
and maintenance fee and NIXI as NIR would have an obligation to address such
issues like other existing NIRs.

PS: There is no NIR for Hong Kong. ;-), 
NIRs exist in some other countries for a variety of reasons - was the price of
management of address resources the primary (or significant) reason for the
creation of each one?

NA: I stand corrected. :-)

Please guide us on variety of reasons for other countries. 

Regards,

Naresh 



-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Smith [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: 21 November 2009 02:51
To: Naresh Ajwani
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call for
Comments

Hi Naresh,

Naresh Ajwani said the following on 20/11/09 15:21 :
>
> Moreso, we have our own set of security challenges, which with unique IP
> allocation to each individual has its 2 cents contribution to the solution but
> without India model pricing, it is not possible.

Yes, I find the widespread use of NAT in India (and indeed other
countries in the region) quite disappointing. But as G P Singh pointed
out, many ISPs can't get more than a /27 from their upstream ISP. Sounds
like a domestic problem, so it would be useful to explain how an NIR
would change the business practices of these upstream providers.

small blocks of address, making current operation scheme costly in terms of
registration and maintenance fee.

And also if you can please explain the pricing argument for others on
the list. As far as I'm aware, there is no India special pricing for
international bandwidth, domestic bandwidth, datacentres, servers,
switches, routers, &c.

> Reasons are more or similar when countries like China, Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam,
> Hong Kong, Korea went for NIR.....

There is no NIR for Hong Kong. ;-)

NIRs exist in some other countries for a variety of reasons - was the
price of management of address resources the primary (or significant)
reason for the creation of each one?

philip
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